Black Lives Matter

[Travis]

My god.

Dear the lord, this country is fucked with people who share your views.

My god and dear the lord? You some kind of evangelical nut job? Thankfully my views are shared with other sensible, educated folk. The Tiny Tommies and EDL wannabes are a dying breed thank fuck

Are you sure the reaso he was killed was because he was black?

As in the policeman intentionally killed someone because of their skin colour in front of cameras and a crowd?

If he was white he wouldn’t have even been put into custody so yes he died because of his skin colour

 

[Quinnymelad]

You must have watched the video. They only found traces of narcotics in his bloods and he was released from prison 13yrs ago. He was treated as a criminal first and foremost as that is how black people have been made to be seen. Caged animals that are criminals. It’s all about fear! Our version is Farage and his vilification of immigrants.

Farage is a failed politician, dont even know why you mentioned that. In the main, with very few exceptions, the uk police do it right, and do a good job. We should leave what happens in the usa over there, even when its blown out of all proportion.

 

[Coeus]

My god and dear the lord? You some kind of evangelical nut job? Thankfully my views are shared with other sensible, educated folk. The Tiny Tommies and EDL wannabes are a dying breed thank fuck

If he was white he wouldn’t have even been put into custody so yes he died because of his skin colour

That's a bit of a stretch. There are similar videos I believe where the unfortunate person was white, but I dont think that was the reason they died.

And the post above is just the other side to the same coin as him. You, the sensible, educated folk vs the edl. It's this type of attitude that'll see progress stifled.

 

[Quinnymelad]

That's a bit of a stretch. There are similar videos I believe where the unfortunate person was white, but I dont think that was the reason they died.

And the post above is just the other side to the same coin as him. You, the sensible, educated folk vs the edl. It's this type of attitude that'll see progress stifled.

Does the edl still exist?

 

[Ready salted]

My god and dear the lord? You some kind of evangelical nut job? Thankfully my views are shared with other sensible, educated folk. The Tiny Tommies and EDL wannabes are a dying breed thank fuck

When they kick in your front door.....

what you gonna do?

 

[Coeus]

Does the edl still exist?

No idea, but I can imagine who he is describing.

 

[The Shepherd]

The black lives matter movement should be aimed at the police and the police alone. American police are a joke the way they handle situations but in many states it takes longer to become a barber than to become a policeman.

That’s insane. It takes you longer to be qualified to cut someone’s hair than be allowed to walk the streets with a gun.

Understandably police can get jittery when it’s legal for everyone else to carry guns but a lot of the videos circulating such as the most famous one of the knee on the neck don’t involve guns so that argument goes out of the window there.

BLM are turning it into something else and there’s far too many left wing antifa anarchists jumping on the bandwagon therefore removing its popularity among “normal” people. I’m not talking far right or anything like that, I’m talking normal everyday people, people who aren’t racist and just want to get by in life with no drama.

Destroying statues is not the way to go, why try to erase history, it’s ridiculous. Attacking police is not the way to go, especially in this country. London is one of the most multicultural cities in the world.

The whole thing has turned into a joke and scumbags in USA are using a mans death as an opportunity to loot and commit crimes, further heightening racial tensions as most of the videos Surfacing of looters have a large element of ethnic minority people acting like animals

There is good and bad in every race. The American police needs to change, stop trying to make it a problem over here when it isn’t a problem!!

Rant owa!

What happened to George Floyd was a disgrace, I agree black lives matter and I also agree that all lives matter.

Treat people how you want to be treated yourself and speak how you find, there are dickheads of all colour, race and religion as well as good people of all colour, race or religion....colour, race or religion is irrelevant, it is what you are as a human being that counts.

There is another element to Black Lives Matter UK which I doubt a lot of people realise, their Go Fund Me page states that they are committed to overthrowing Capitalism, it is still on there as I have just checked...that has nothing to do with George Floyd as far as I am aware.

Mainstream media are influencing a lot of the news rather than just reporting facts.

Chicago has gone crazy over the weekend with at least 100 shootings, 14 fatal including a 3 yr old boy and a 13 yr old girl...this is horrific, where is that in mainstream media as I haven't seen that reported by any of the major players in the UK?

 

[Quinnymelad]

What happened to George Floyd was a disgrace, I agree black lives matter and I also agree that all lives matter.

Treat people how you want to be treated yourself and speak how you find, there are dickheads of all colour, race and religion as well as good people of all colour, race or religion....colour, race or religion is irrelevant, it is what you are as a human being that counts.

There is another element to Black Lives Matter UK which I doubt a lot of people realise, their Go Fund Me page states that they are committed to overthrowing Capitalism, it is still on there as I have just checked...that has nothing to do with George Floyd as far as I am aware.

Mainstream media are influencing a lot of the news rather than just reporting facts.

Chicago has gone crazy over the weekend with at least 100 shootings, 14 fatal including a 3 yr old boy and a 13 yr old girl...this is horrific, where is that in mainstream media as I haven't seen that reported by any of the major players in the UK?

There you go, spoiling a bitching session with common sense and facts. I could shout at you. But I wont.

 

[Travis]

That's a bit of a stretch. There are similar videos I believe where the unfortunate person was white, but I dont think that was the reason they died.

And the post above is just the other side to the same coin as him. You, the sensible, educated folk vs the edl. It's this type of attitude that'll see progress stifled.

Why you not chastising the other poster who is now threatening me with some football hooligans coming round my house?

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

It seems that BLM and BAME is getting quite a bit of exposure and it's just creating more division if anything. There was a lot made out about BAME and COVID-19 recently. Yet when you look at the basic numbers, the percentage of deaths in English hospitals that have been white (87.1%) is greater than the population in England from the census 9 years ago (85.3% and this percentage is probably even lower in 2020). How many also consider that London was the epicenter and in the 2011 census it was around 60% of blacks lived in London (13.3% on London's popuplation). Asians were 18.3% of London's population and 10.8% in the West Midlands in 2011 which was also hit by COVID-19. Yet Asians are only 4.3% of the England deaths and were 7.8% of the England population in 2011 which will probably be higher now.

How many who donated to that GoFundMe that raised over £1,000,000 know the BLM want to abolish the police? How many even know what BLM is about or even knew the existed 4 weeks ago?

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Note the 2nd picture, "We are an ABOLISHMENT movement, we do not believe in reforming the police, the state or the prison complex"

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It could well be getting a bit too much with BAME and BLM and when you see shit like this you just wonder what the fuck it's all really about.

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You need to distinguish between the generalised Black Lives Matter movement, which is nebulous and that crowdfunding page. The latter refers to something called the Black Lives Matter Foundatuion, which is nothing to do with the original movement, which started in the USA, BLMF, to distinguish it, is actually a front (yet another one) for our old friends the Socialist Worker Party, a Trotskyist organisation which has been preaching revolution for decades, and routinely latches onto and attempts to infiltrate and control any vaguely left wing protest movement which it comes across. Conflating BLM and BLMF just does the SWP's work for them.

This is a fairly accurate portrayal of the SWP and its history

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[The Shepherd]

There you go, spoiling a bitching session with common sense and facts. I could shout at you. But I wont.

 

[Deleted member 6694]

Only if you look at the raw numbers. If you run it as deaths/100,000 population a very different picture emerges. in 2019, there were 399 killings of white people (45.6% of the total, but they are 77% of the total). There were 235 black deaths (23.5% of the total), but black Americans are only 13.4% of the population. Looking at the overall population of the USA in the last census of 328m, that gives a death rate of 1.6./1m population in white Americans, but 10/1m amongst black Americans,

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I had a similar discussion the other day as it's the same if you look at the UK statistics in the same way. Blacks have a higher percentage of deaths by police than the black population. When you look further into it, it was 25% more likely that a white person would die in custody compared to a black person. Yet the other poster was trying to say 3% black population but 8% of deaths. I disagree as that is not a statistic I'd be looking at if I wanted to see how people had an interaction with the police. These are the percentages for England/Wales in the 10 years to 2018-19.

79% percent of arrests people white - 85% of deaths in custody white
9% percent of arrests people black - 8% of deaths in custody black
An arrested white person is 25% more likely to die in custody

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Good post.

It's not, it's a completely misleading stat as you need to compare how many blacks interact with police not compare police killings to the whole population. Here's an example of those numbers above if there were 1,000,000 arrests each year.

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Stats are easy to misinterpret.

You're right there, see above

 

[Coeus]

Why you not chastising the other poster who is now threatening me with some football hooligans coming round my house?

Want nowt to do with that side to be honest.

It appears to me that everyone can see that side is silly, but the other side just gets ran with, almost a competition on who can signal the best whilst they are in no means socially accepted if they attempt the same.

But, point taken.

 

[Ciro_DiMarzio]

All lives matter.Regardless of colour.

Dear me man Gilly. Give your rather large snidey shreddies eating head a wobble ffs.

 

[Ready salted]

What happened to George Floyd was a disgrace, I agree black lives matter and I also agree that all lives matter.

Treat people how you want to be treated yourself and speak how you find, there are dickheads of all colour, race and religion as well as good people of all colour, race or religion....colour, race or religion is irrelevant, it is what you are as a human being that counts.

There is another element to Black Lives Matter UK which I doubt a lot of people realise, their Go Fund Me page states that they are committed to overthrowing Capitalism, it is still on there as I have just checked...that has nothing to do with George Floyd as far as I am aware.

Mainstream media are influencing a lot of the news rather than just reporting facts.

Chicago has gone crazy over the weekend with at least 100 shootings, 14 fatal including a 3 yr old boy and a 13 yr old girl...this is horrific, where is that in mainstream media as I haven't seen that reported by any of the major players in the UK?

In your first sentence you strongly highlighted that what ha

You must have watched the video. They only found traces of narcotics in his bloods and he was released from prison 13yrs ago. He was treated as a criminal first and foremost as that is how black people have been made to be seen. Caged animals that are criminals. It’s all about fear! Our version is Farage and his vilification of immigrants.

f***ing hell man! What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[Deleted member 6694]

Good knowledge. Not saying this didn’t happen but we are taking about how BLM came about and why it’s still an issue today. I can’t say I know any of my relatives were taken to Algeria by Muslim slave traders. The reason George Floyd was killed was because he was black. A white man who had just allegedly used a fake $20 bill wouldn’t have even been arrested let alone had his neck knelt on for almost 9 minutes

Are you sure? Why did this white man died after being in a controversial position for 13 mins? He also had a cop kneeling on his back while he was face down and the cops even took the piss when he's motionless. Did we hear anything about this at the time in the UK or anytime after or the fact the cops were back to work within a month?

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[Ale taster]

Politics forum this shite

 

[squavers]

My god and dear the lord? You some kind of evangelical nut job? Thankfully my views are shared with other sensible, educated folk. The Tiny Tommies and EDL wannabes are a dying breed thank fuck

If he was white he wouldn’t have even been put into custody so yes he died because of his skin colour

You do realise that US cops kill nearly twice as many white people as they do black people, don't you?

 

[Baz]

Has it shite. The only whites it’s offended are those with prejudices.

Let’s not forget white right wing groups attacked police last week.

Fuck off man!! Its offended people because the thing has become a f***ing joke! Ripping down f***ing statues, robbing shops.....aye all because of BLM. More likecan excuse for the arseholes to come out and play.

This whole "thing" will do nothing other than worsen racial tensions, that I can guarantee.

Bollox

Except it's not, at all!

My god and dear the lord? You some kind of evangelical nut job? Thankfully my views are shared with other sensible, educated folk. The Tiny Tommies and EDL wannabes are a dying breed thank fuck

If he was white he wouldn’t have even been put into custody so yes he died because of his skin colour

Fuck off man.....no he f***ing didn't u tit!

 

[FulwellViaLeeds]

It seems that BLM and BAME is getting quite a bit of exposure and it's just creating more division if anything. T
How many who donated to that GoFundMe that raised over £1,000,000 know the BLM want to abolish the police? How many even know what BLM is about or even knew the existed 4 weeks ago?

They aren't a political party. They don't have a manifesto or a clear leadership group. A lot of people quote this GoFundMe page, but it's a GoFundMe set up by persons unknown. As far as I know, there's lots of different localised groups that are ran pretty independently.

And besides, even if that was the case, it's not the purpose of the march. You can disagree on ideas, but support the general movement. See Brexit marches. See people voting for the Tories at the last general. Does everyone who attended a Brexit march support Dominic Cummings's Eugenics bollocks or some of the more nonsensical ideas Farage came up with?

You can make an argument about who causes division, both 'sides' are responsible. Who aren't responsible are the normal black people asking for equality. People need to open their eyes at the same time though. The Reading stabbing has highlighted how our failing prison system and shite social care and asylum seeker support are failing us and costing lives. These have been issues for years and it's a scandal that they haven't been addressed. Yet, the outrage is focused towards footballers kneeling.