Black Lives Matter

[Coeus]

The white privilege element does not mean wealth/ power etc. in Itself - there are of course many white people in poverty or bad situations. White privilege simply means that they don’t suffer for the colour of their skin, if they are in a bad place it’s not because of their ethnicity.

Many BAME people do suffer for the colour of their skin.

Put simply, to everyone who doesn’t get it - answer this question. Have you ever faced a difficult situation and had extra worries on top due to your skin colour?

Ie have you had a job interview and worried that the interviewer may be even slightly racist or prejudiced and that your ability to do the job will not be the deciding factor.

Have you ever been pulled over by the police and worried that they’ll look at your skin colour and judge you more harshly?

That's half the issue though, how do you quantify the issues some have faced as being racist in nature. It's completely understandable why someone may believe an occurrence is racist when it isn't.

It's terrible that people go through their lives with that thought in the back of their head but given our history, I'm not sure how that can be eradicated?

 

[sir rowell cummins]

Isn’t it just
Funny how this country is so “racist “ yet people are trying to get here by any means they can to come and live in this “racist“ hell hole

Many are coming to meet family members already here. Many are exploited. There are a lot of myths about migration.

That's half the issue though, how do you quantify the issues some have faced as being racist in nature. It's completely understandable why someone may believe an occurrence is racist when it isn't.

It's terrible that people go through their lives with that thought in the back of their head but given our history, I'm not sure how that can be eradicated?

History can't be eradicated. How we celebrate it and interpret it can and we can empathetically recognise and acknowledge historic struggles and crimes and at this stage i think that's what's wanted. The rest is about campaigning around policy and won't be achieved on the streets.

 

[mickb2112]

They do. The BLM movement isn’t suggesting only black lives matter, it’s wanting black lives to mean the same as others.

That`s right. It`s Black Lives Matter Too. They aren`t saying that White Lives don`t matter but at the moment with all of the prejudice and discrimination that they still suffer, what they are saying is that they want their lives to matter and for the discrimination to end. For people then to say "white lives matter" completely misses the whole point of the protest

 

[Deleted member 6694]

Your white and I guess don’t go out committing crime then play the racist card when stopped by the police.
Crime is proportionally way higher for kids brought up in unmarried families especially where the father is absent.

How much does hip hop/rap/drill music influence young black kids also? How will affect what the kids think when they listen to songs about crime, drugs use, gangs degrading women, guns, knives, fighting, drive bys, killing etc etc?

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[Travis]

You’ve completely just made that up though!

What part is made up? You do know why George Floyd was initially arrested don’t you? A shopkeeper alleged he had used a counterfeit note in his store. We have seen the rest in the video. Not once did he even resist arrest yet the cop used lethal force to detain him. I ask again would that have happened if he was white?

If you need help making up your mind...

Oscar Grant - Shot in the back whilst in custody after complying with police over some trouble at a train station.

Eric Garner - Selling loose cigarettes, put in a chokehold and died saying I can’t breathe

Breonna Taylor - Shot 8 times lying in bed because armed police had a no knock warrant due to them believing the emergency aid workers house was used to deliver drugs (it wasn’t)

Trayvon Martin
Ahmed Arbery
Tamir Rice
Michael Brown
Philandro Castille

The list goes on. Of course it is up to you to decide whether they died because of the colour of their skin and I don’t believe they were hunted and killed I just believe the system is fucked, officers are sometimes so scared they shoot first ask questions later and that’s down to a failed system, systemic racism, the press, the government and years of inequality.

 

[Coeus]

Many are coming to meet family members already here. Many are exploited. There are a lot of myths about migration.

History can't be eradicated. How we celebrate it and interpret it can and we can empathetically recognise and acknowledge historic struggles and crimes and at this stage i think that's what's wanted. The rest is about campaigning around policy and won't be achieved on the streets.

I agree, it's a complicated web of issues that would needs a great deal of work, time and clever folk. I'm just not sure if the movement is missdirected, certainly what it has morphed into.

 

[Scunny Dan]

The world we live in unfortunately.

Yes it is. And yes it's unfortunate. BFC were straight in weren't they.....threatening life bans etc. Now I understand the probable subtext and connotations....but is the message the plane carried worthy of such a response?

 

[Deleted member 1169]

Should lawyers who represent killers and worse reputation be finished? I have no doubts that some folk on twitter will attempt to close the company because they disagree with it.

To be clear I am not forming a judgement and I often wondered about your point. I just googled for the solicitor representing Peter Sutcliffe and it seems it didn't harm his career.

 

[JJH]

How much does hip hop/rap/drill music influence young black kids also? How will affect what the kids think when they listen to songs about crime, drugs use, gangs degrading women, guns, knives, fighting, drive bys, killing etc etc?

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Absolutely agree.

 

[Poacher]

Nobody’s heard then other side of the story yet and your accusing someone of been a racist. It may just of been a tragic accident Floyd may of been arrested 50 times by the same bloke and was a massive danger could of went to grab their guns in the past or anything! nobody knows the surrounding circumstances

George floyd and the arresting officer both new each other, they worked together at a nightclub

 

[JJH]

Yes it is. And yes it's unfortunate. BFC were straight in weren't they.....threatening life bans etc. Now I understand the probable subtext and connotations....but is the message the plane carried worthy of such a response?

Ofcourse it isn’t .Like I said earlier maybe poor taste but life bans and police investigation
Very dangerous precedence being set here but the past 4 weeks has shown me anything is possible

 

[Poacher]

What part is made up? You do know why George Floyd was initially arrested don’t you? A shopkeeper alleged he had used a counterfeit note in his store. We have seen the rest in the video. Not once did he even resist arrest yet the cop used lethal force to detain him. I ask again would that have happened if he was white?

If you need help making up your mind...

Oscar Grant - Shot in the back whilst in custody after complying with police over some trouble at a train station.

Eric Garner - Selling loose cigarettes, put in a chokehold and died saying I can’t breathe

Breonna Taylor - Shot 8 times lying in bed because armed police had a no knock warrant due to them believing the emergency aid workers house was used to deliver drugs (it wasn’t)

Trayvon Martin
Ahmed Arbery
Tamir Rice
Michael Brown
Philandro Castille

The list goes on. Of course it is up to you to decide whether they died because of the colour of their skin and I don’t believe they were hunted and killed I just believe the system is fucked, officers are sometimes so scared they shoot first ask questions later and that’s down to a failed system, systemic racism, the press, the government and years of inequality.

Trayvon martin was killed by an hispanic., now do the names of the blacks killed by other blacks this weekend.

 

[kwillhen]

The thing is there will be racist police in this country but I believe they are a very small minority. This whole ACAB bollox written on the signs and masks at BLM protests make me sick. I know the first number they would call when in trouble would be 999! The reactions of people when police were being attacked and recorded on video is disgusting. The police deal with shit housery every day, growing up I was told to respect the police if I got told off by a copper my dad would belt me.
Because people have had problems through generations with police I can understand how its passed down from generations the same way rascism and bigotry is. But the British police are not all bastards and far from the idiot across the Atlantic.

US law enforcement is completely different to the UK police. They give idiots that flunk high school a badge and a gun. Their training differs from state to state. They work in a country where anyone can own a gun. Social problems in the US have lead to where they are now. There have been 116 mass shooting incidents in america since 1982. Only 20 of them were committed by a black person. Police hate, guns and drug use are glorified in wrap music, I wouldn't want to be a cop in the US but I'd do a better job then some of the numptys that are.

 

[Poacher]

George floyd and the arresting officer both new each other, they worked together at a nightclub he already knew he was high in drugs and dangerous

 

[Gucci Massive]

Just saw the white lives matter banner flying over Burnley. Ignorant f***ing arseholes

Not surprised its Burnley. It's about 50 years behind East Durham.

 

[JJH]

Not surprised its Burnley. It's about 50 years behind East Durham.

East Durham being 50 years ahead of Italy

 

[ErichZann]

What part is made up? You do know why George Floyd was initially arrested don’t you? A shopkeeper alleged he had used a counterfeit note in his store. We have seen the rest in the video. Not once did he even resist arrest yet the cop used lethal force to detain him. I ask again would that have happened if he was white?

If you need help making up your mind...

Oscar Grant - Shot in the back whilst in custody after complying with police over some trouble at a train station.

Eric Garner - Selling loose cigarettes, put in a chokehold and died saying I can’t breathe

Breonna Taylor - Shot 8 times lying in bed because armed police had a no knock warrant due to them believing the emergency aid workers house was used to deliver drugs (it wasn’t)

Trayvon Martin
Ahmed Arbery
Tamir Rice
Michael Brown
Philandro Castille

The list goes on. Of course it is up to you to decide whether they died because of the colour of their skin and I don’t believe they were hunted and killed I just believe the system is fucked, officers are sometimes so scared they shoot first ask questions later and that’s down to a failed system, systemic racism, the press, the government and years of inequality.

Dillon Taylor
Robert Saylor - he had Down syndrome and police crushed his throat
Daniel Harris - deaf, no weapon - shot dead
Daniel Shaver - shot whilst begging for his life

These are white people killed by the police, so yes it does happen if you are white - it's just not as newsworthy.

The problem is actually that US police can not make a distinction between a minor crime and a major crime, a suspect that is dangerous and one that is not, a suspect that is armed and one that is not, when excessive force is required and when it is not.

 

[phillips10]

I really doubt understand this 'all/white lives matter business'.

I'm a working class white male who people say are forgot and its them who are speaking up. I havent attended any protest for BLM, we all know that all lives matter, so why are people pushing their own agenda to be heard the loudest? Black people have a long history of being treat differently, let their voice be heard and the conversation had, doesnt affect my life one bit.

I suspect people aren’t too happy about the national monument to our war dead being desecrated and also the statue of the man this country voted greatest ever Briton being scrawled on.

Not that hard to grasp.

 

[woodlebert]

This largely comes about because we have a growing number of completely disenfranchised working class people who are in low wage jobs, or have no job at all who believe they are either completely ignored in 21st century Britain, not taken seriously and have the increasing sense they’re superfluous and do not matter. They also happen to be white.

When they see people in the media or on TV talking about things like “white privilege,” it is completely anathema to them. Because while every global corporation and media outlet is bending over backwards to show how diverse they are, and show how utterly opposed to any discrimination towards various movements citing oppression (and to be clear I’m not saying they aren’t), there’s a growing underbelly of people who think that while this is occurring they are completely insignificant and that any of their grumblings will see them automatically castigated as racist and not taken seriously. Which of course only lends to the deep underlying sense of dissatisfaction.

I watched Michah Richards earlier talk about how he doesn’t understand why people would want to display a banner saying “White Lives Matter” and the irony is, that of course he can’t, because he is a privileged multimillionaire former footballer who has been given a platform on Sky. The irony is that none of the people who had a whip-round for that banner, which regardless was still completely misguided, and that’s to say the least, will ever have anywhere near the wealth or privilege of a Micah Richards. Nonetheless, he gets to use his platform on Sky Sports to subsequently talk about how he can’t understand why people would do such a thing thus helping to form a consensus that anyone who would suggest such a thing is essentially just a stupid racist blind to the suffering of black people. And perhaps, the problem here becomes a little bit clearer. The perception becomes one of black and ethnic people with lucrative positions in various forms of media - far more lucrative than the average wage of many of their viewers - telling a large subsection of the increasingly surplus population that they (the ones in the media in lucrative positions) are, or are at least representative of the marginalised and oppressed. Which of course isn’t accurate in itself, because people like Micah Richards are no more representative of the life of a BAME youth in say, Moss Side than they are an unemployed white kid in Burnley.

So the overall perception of “multi-cultural Britain” from the kind of people who‘d support a “White Lives Matter” banner isn’t correct. That perception though isn’t corrected by just castigating a growing subsection of British society who are increasingly disenfranchised with a misplaced sense of anger, fear and distrust as “disgraceful” or “racist.” Not that there’s any quick and easy solution to it either. What a mess.

It's worth noting here that unemployment rates are higher among black people than white people in the UK

 

[Whitburnmakem]

George floyd and the arresting officer both new each other, they worked together at a nightclub

Yes so he may if known he was a very dangerous person so didn’t want to take the risk of letting him up on his feet I don’t know the circumstances and neither did anyone else people are just firing off the racist policeman accusations because a black man has died