Black Lives Matter

[Wearson]

It's all certainly going the way of more authoritarian governments. Have to wonder if strings are being pulled to that effect.

Yes I think it’s more than just the old “divide and rule“. Some stunts are pulled by the media/press but are more sinister things are being organised? And by who ? Maybe all just conspiracy theory but it’s worrying.

 

[Honess10]

I think for my two pennies worth simply adding the word “too” at the end of black lives matter would make the whole message less divisive and allow people to focus on the valid message without getting wound up at the perceived injustice.

 

[Gucci Massive]

East Durham being 50 years ahead of Italy

Only 50?

 

[Travis]

Trayvon martin was killed by an hispanic., now do the names of the blacks killed by other blacks this weekend.

Really? That is your reply? Did I say these black people were all killed by white men? No. And now you are going to go on about black on black killing? What about white on white killing? That is never mentioned because it doesn't fit an agenda. You will find that figure much, much higher. Its the disproportionate nature of black men being killed by police that started this, that is my main point. That is why hundreds of thousands have been protesting. Are they all making this shit up? Of course some people have used the situation to push a different agenda but the whole movement is working. There are changes being made, is that not a good thing?

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[Coeus]

I think for my two pennies worth simply adding the word “too” at the end of black lives matter would make the whole message less divisive and allow people to focus on the valid message without getting wound up at the perceived injustice.

I think it was originally coined as something directed towards the police which is obviously a lot less divisive than towards everyone?

Problem with branding though I guess. How could something as complex as this be turned into three words.

 

[flusheding]

I can't wait until all these people are shouting and screaming on Remembrance Day "all deaths of every kind matter!"

I'm sure that'll happen right?

 

[Travis]

Dillon Taylor
Robert Saylor - he had Down syndrome and police crushed his throat
Daniel Harris - deaf, no weapon - shot dead
Daniel Shaver - shot whilst begging for his life

These are white people killed by the police, so yes it does happen if you are white - it's just not as newsworthy.

The problem is actually that US police can not make a distinction between a minor crime and a major crime, a suspect that is dangerous and one that is not, a suspect that is armed and one that is not, when excessive force is required and when it is not.

I have never said it doesn't happen the other way round.

Charles Kinsey was shot helping an autistic boy just because the call in was just that there was a suicidal man with a gun. It was a toy truck.

We could probably go back and forth, but that doesn't help anything. It is 100% disproportianate, they aren't protesting because they want a fight. You are 100% correct with your last sentence though. Why is that though and other than reform how can that be changed?

 

[nyron4england]

why is football so slow with everything? video technology, gender equality, race equality. it's f***ing embarrassing.

 

[Coeus]

Really? That is your reply? Did I say these black people were all killed by white men? No. And now you are going to go on about black on black killing? What about white on white killing? That is never mentioned because it doesn't fit an agenda. You will find that figure much, much higher. Its the disproportionate nature of black men being killed by police that started this, that is my main point. That is why hundreds of thousands have been protesting. Are they all making this shit up? Of course some people have used the situation to push a different agenda but the whole movement is working. There are changes being made, is that not a good thing?

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Without wanting to get in to it again with you as we I felt we left it last night well. I think the stats actually contradict the reasoning behind starting this. And as to them making it up, of course they havent, I'd imagine over half those protesting dont know the figures or certainly havent interpreted them in a manor that seems fair.

From my very limited knowledge this has been building for a good while in america and something was always going to happen and probabley had to. But to direct it towards the police seems misguided.

 

[SAFC 2012]

Isn’t it just
Funny how this country is so “racist “ yet people are trying to get here by any means they can to come and live in this “racist“ hell hole

Ill never get my head around it.

 

[Travis]

Without wanting to get in to it again with you as we I felt we left it last night well. I think the stats actually contradict the reasoning behind starting this. And as to them making it up, of course they havent, I'd imagine over half those protesting dont know the figures or certainly havent interpreted them in a manor that seems fair.

From my very limited knowledge this has been building for a good while in america and something was always going to happen and probabley had to. But to direct it towards the police seems misguided.

I agree, it stems from the government, the second amendment, the justice system. Police are taking the brunt because they are the front line. A large percentage I believe are good people doing a f***ing difficult job. There are some though that use it as a power privilege. Or they aren't mentally stable to do the work they are asked to do.

I just think they should be allowed to protest, they should be allowed to try and push through change as it is a problem and one that is often brushed under the carpet. As I said previously the 13th Doc really explains the history behind everything that is happening in America. It was made in 2017 but rings very true of right now. I don't want to sound like I know, I just read a lot and watch things as i believe it is important that we all understand before deciding that a struggle for another race is "going over the top".

Anyway. I have to do some work now. Be nice to get back to moaning about how shit we are on the football pitch, at least we all agree about that but we still go back for more.

 

[dangermows]

The Tommy Robinson loving knacker is banned from the club for life and police will soon be knocking on his door by the look of it. Nice one.

 

[Scunny Dan]

why is football so slow with everything? video technology, gender equality, race equality. it's f***ing embarrassing.

Gender equality in football is not feasible. How are any women's clubs going to fund £300k per week wages for top players? It's a poorly supported sport with relatively little interest. Ene Aluko might disagree but she is wrong.

 

[superdougle]

What part is made up? You do know why George Floyd was initially arrested don’t you? A shopkeeper alleged he had used a counterfeit note in his store. We have seen the rest in the video. Not once did he even resist arrest yet the cop used lethal force to detain him. I ask again would that have happened if he was white?

If you need help making up your mind...

Oscar Grant - Shot in the back whilst in custody after complying with police over some trouble at a train station.

Eric Garner - Selling loose cigarettes, put in a chokehold and died saying I can’t breathe

Breonna Taylor - Shot 8 times lying in bed because armed police had a no knock warrant due to them believing the emergency aid workers house was used to deliver drugs (it wasn’t)

Trayvon Martin
Ahmed Arbery
Tamir Rice
Michael Brown
Philandro Castille

The list goes on. Of course it is up to you to decide whether they died because of the colour of their skin and I don’t believe they were hunted and killed I just believe the system is fucked, officers are sometimes so scared they shoot first ask questions later and that’s down to a failed system, systemic racism, the press, the government and years of inequality.

I just believe the system is fucked, officers are sometimes so scared they shoot first ask questions later and that’s down to a failed system, systemic racism, the press, the government and years of inequality. That’s my sentiments exactly, very much comparable to the young mothers in our region popping out kids becomes a way of life, some unlucky caught up in the system, to some it’s just the norm passed down through generation to generation. Gang life in America is quite glorified and has been for many years, just passed down through the years can you blame the system for it completely?? not in my eyes the individual has to take some responsibility, there is a lot more black people who have prospered in America than have reverted to a life of crime. Sometimes it’s easy to look at the negative. For true equality it should have been policeman killed George floyd not racist policeman, that’s my point do we really know it was race related or just a bellend policeman, abusing his power. At least two officer‘s present where mixed race doesn’t make it right in any way , but then it been called race motivated, suppose you’ll never know.

 

[gavrocks]

Too many idiots on here to actually think if you are walking round certain areas of our capital on a night you will be OK because you support blm I'm afraid that won't help you people complaining about a plane with a banner what about the 3 white lads stabbed in reading at the weekend is it because they are white their lives don't matter all lives matter irrespective of skin colour

 

[nyron4england]

Gender equality in football is not feasible. How are any women's clubs going to fund £300k per week wages for top players? It's a poorly supported sport with relatively little interest. Ene Aluko might disagree but she is wrong.

i never mentioned anything about wages. the fact you say it's poorly supported is exactly my point. starts from grassroots level upwards. primary school theres loads of girls play footy with the boys. senior school it stops. lack of girls teams even though theres plenty who enjoy it.

 

[mickb2112]

I think for my two pennies worth simply adding the word “too” at the end of black lives matter would make the whole message less divisive and allow people to focus on the valid message without getting wound up at the perceived injustice.

I totally agree. I have been saying this for a while. It would also totally take the wind out of those who criticise the BLM name. I think Black Lives Matter Too would make the same forceful point but deflect the criticism of those saying "All lives matter" or "White lives matter".

 

[FulwellViaLeeds]

This largely comes about because we have a growing number of completely disenfranchised working class people who are in low wage jobs, or have no job at all who believe they are either completely ignored in 21st century Britain, not taken seriously and have the increasing sense they’re superfluous and do not matter. They also happen to be white.

When they see people in the media or on TV talking about things like “white privilege,” it is completely anathema to them. Because while every global corporation and media outlet is bending over backwards to show how diverse they are, and show how utterly opposed to any discrimination towards various movements citing oppression (and to be clear I’m not saying they aren’t), there’s a growing underbelly of people who think that while this is occurring they are completely insignificant and that any of their grumblings will see them automatically castigated as racist and not taken seriously. Which of course only lends to the deep underlying sense of dissatisfaction.

I watched Michah Richards earlier talk about how he doesn’t understand why people would want to display a banner saying “White Lives Matter” and the irony is, that of course he can’t, because he is a privileged multimillionaire former footballer who has been given a platform on Sky. The irony is that none of the people who had a whip-round for that banner, which regardless was still completely misguided, and that’s to say the least, will ever have anywhere near the wealth or privilege of a Micah Richards. Nonetheless, he gets to use his platform on Sky Sports to subsequently talk about how he can’t understand why people would do such a thing thus helping to form a consensus that anyone who would suggest such a thing is essentially just a stupid racist blind to the suffering of black people. And perhaps, the problem here becomes a little bit clearer. The perception becomes one of black and ethnic people with lucrative positions in various forms of media - far more lucrative than the average wage of many of their viewers - telling a large subsection of the increasingly surplus population that they (the ones in the media in lucrative positions) are, or are at least representative of the marginalised and oppressed. Which of course isn’t accurate in itself, because people like Micah Richards are no more representative of the life of a BAME youth in say, Moss Side than they are an unemployed white kid in Burnley.

So the overall perception of “multi-cultural Britain” from the kind of people who‘d support a “White Lives Matter” banner isn’t correct. That perception though isn’t corrected by just castigating a growing subsection of British society who are increasingly disenfranchised with a misplaced sense of anger, fear and distrust as “disgraceful” or “racist.” Not that there’s any quick and easy solution to it either. What a mess.

Canny post. The top bit is accurate, but so much anger is misplaced. The reason that some organisations are 'bending over backwards' is that they haven't done the work previously, and are now arse covering. In this case, 'bending over backwards' usually accounts to gestures that no-one has really asked for and don't require any significant changes to corporate culture. Had these companies had a commitment to equality and diversity, most of these issues would have been looked at and addressed previously.

For whatever reason, people get angry at the movement and not the organisations making the changes. We should all want companies to have a genuine commitment towards equality, because those that do will look proactively and reasonably at these sensitive topics, and won't wait until there's major pressure to enact snap changes. We should be expecting way more from those at the top.

 

[mad cyril]

I think for my two pennies worth simply adding the word “too” at the end of black lives matter would make the whole message less divisive and allow people to focus on the valid message without getting wound up at the perceived injustice.

If it comes to adding a word, we all know what they really mean though is White lives matter more

 

[Scunny Dan]

i never mentioned anything about wages. the fact you say it's poorly supported is exactly my point. starts from grassroots level upwards. primary school theres loads of girls play footy with the boys. senior school it stops. lack of girls teams even though theres plenty who enjoy it.

So it's about improving infrastructure for women. Not achieving gender equality.