Ben Stokes post ashes series

[Ghfd]

To be honest Malan has performed better than Root in recent times so perhaps they want him at 3.

Can’t see that happening personally. Root is handy in the field and spare odd over as well

 

[Nasser Butt-Head]

I would rather Stokes fixed his knee and rested up for India next year. No way he should have taken the place of Brook in the WC squad. I can see the rationale, but I don't agree with it t all. Is it a sign of our strength in depth with the bat, or weakness with selection?

 

[Voice of fair play]

I would rather Stokes fixed his knee and rested up for India next year. No way he should have taken the place of Brook in the WC squad. I can see the rationale, but I don't agree with it t all. Is it a sign of our strength in depth with the bat, or weakness with selection?

Personally I think it’s a sign of strength in depth with the bat.

Don’t get the logic of resting for something after a World Cup!

As think only The Ashes trumps it in terms of importance

World Cups come just once every 4 years and are one of the biggest competitions and pinnacles of a players career

 

[seaham ftm]

This is confirmation he is only a batsman now.

 

[Steak Pie]

It’s a World Cup happens once every 4 years and should be one of the highlights of a players career.

For me more important than an India test series which will be a extremely difficult anyway if they prepare big turning wickets as they did last time.

I would have respected his decision either way so much do I hold him in esteem as a cricketer.

But I am over the moon, such a proven big game player has decided to try and help his country win a World Cup.

The problem with your argument is that you are fully behind the way the 50 over format is being treated, and have said that the format isn't important and the players barely play any domestic 50 over cricket.

If you had made these arguments 4 years ago, when the whole country stopped to watch England win the world cup at home in one of the best events you'll ever see in any sport, then fine. But since then, the format has been downgraded and disregarded in favour of the farcical 16.4.

Test series are the pinnacle.

 

[Voice of fair play]

The problem with your argument is that you are fully behind the way the 50 over format is being treated, and have said that the format isn't important and the players barely play any domestic 50 over cricket.

If you had made these arguments 4 years ago, when the whole country stopped to watch England win the world cup at home in one of the best events you'll ever see in any sport, then fine. But since then, the format has been downgraded and disregarded in favour of the farcical 16.4.

Test series are the pinnacle.

50 over cricket has been downgraded worldwide domestically and has decreased in importance domestically as T20 leagues have increased worldwide

It’s a worldwide pattern where top world class players don’t play much if any 50 over cricket domestically as they either playing test cricket or different T20 leagues around the world.

I am not saying that right or wrong or whether I am behind it or not, it’s fact that had been happening.

To put the decline down to the ‘The Hundred’ is not correct as was happening before ‘The Hundred’ started.

However World Cups be at any format should be one of the pinnacles of a players career.

People like Ricky Ponting when asked about their career highlights always put 50 over World Cup wins right at the top of their achievements.


Your argument would make a lot more sense if just was happening in England but it’s not it’s worldwide

 

[mackembhoy]

The problem with your argument is that you are fully behind the way the 50 over format is being treated, and have said that the format isn't important and the players barely play any domestic 50 over cricket.

If you had made these arguments 4 years ago, when the whole country stopped to watch England win the world cup at home in one of the best events you'll ever see in any sport, then fine. But since then, the format has been downgraded and disregarded in favour of the farcical 16.4.

Test series are the pinnacle.

Barely any of the 2019 world cup side played in the 2018 and 2019 one day cups mind.

Vince, Dawson and Curran as squad members played both. But of those that played Roy, Rashid and Moeen are the only ones who played in 2018 and none played in 2019.

@Voice of fair play is making the point about international players not playing 50 over cricket outside of internationals and he would be right.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Barely any of the 2019 world cup side played in the 2018 and 2019 one day cups mind.

Vince, Dawson and Curran as squad members played both. But of those that played Roy, Rashid and Moeen are the only ones who played in 2018 and none played in 2019.

@Voice of fair play is making the point about international players not playing 50 over cricket outside of internationals and he would be right.

I do think rightly or wrongly 50 over cricket domestically was on a downward trend well before the hundred.

T20 blast finals day had already overtaken the 50 over final as the biggest day in the county calendar for me.

And new T20 leagues throughout the world had meant less international cricketers playing 50 over cricket domestically.

Obviously to be fair The Hundred has meant it has been downgraded even further and would not dispute that, but it was already down the list of the pecking order in most countries imo well before the hundred because of the increased T20 leagues.

However none that should take away the fact playing for your country in a World Cup that happens every 4 years is one the pinnacles of a players career and I am over the moon such a massive big game player like Stokes is now going to try and help his country defend a World Cup

 

[Ghfd]

With it being in India, I feel England making the semi final will be a good effort

this doesn’t mean I don’t want them to win it, before anyone piles in

 

[Voice of fair play]

With it being in India, I feel England making the semi final will be a good effort

this doesn’t mean I don’t want them to win it, before anyone piles in

I think mate England and India quite a bit better than the rest imo.

Therefore if we avoid India on route would expect to make the final

 

[Nasser Butt-Head]

Personally I think it’s a sign of strength in depth with the bat.

Don’t get the logic of resting for something after a World Cup!

As think only The Ashes trumps it in terms of importance

World Cups come just once every 4 years and are one of the biggest competitions and pinnacles of a players career

Whilst I do agree with your general sentiment. Stokes retired from ODI"s because of scheduling and fitness issues. I don't think he should waltz back in at the expense of Brook, who could play pivotal inning's like Ben did 4 years ago.

We should be looking forward not backwards, and especially since Stokes can't bowl. I can't see the upside to his inclusion, other than sentimentality.

I'm not going to enter into the debate which is more important. Although I will say I rank test cricket above everything.

1. Tests
2. ODI WC
3. T20 WC
4. Every other cricket

 

[Voice of fair play]

Whilst I do agree with your general sentiment. Stokes retired from ODI"s because of scheduling and fitness issues. I don't think he should waltz back in at the expense of Brook, who could play pivotal inning's like Ben did 4 years ago.

We should be looking forward not backwards, and especially since Stokes can't bowl. I can't see the upside to his inclusion, other than sentimentality.

I'm not going to enter into the debate which is more important. Although I will say I rank test cricket above everything.

1. Tests
2. ODI WC
3. T20 WC
4. Every other cricket

I don’t think for example a test series in New Zealand is anywhere near as important as a 50 over World Cup that happens once every 4 years.

I do agree The Ashes should rank about all others though so a yes and no answer to your last point imo

With Stokes I think it all sports you have rare players who actually elevate their game the bigger the game the bigger the pressure it’s a very rare commodity.

And Stokes imo is the very example of above so for that reason alone I would include him and be one of the first names on my team sheet

 

[Nasser Butt-Head]

I don’t think for example a test series in New Zealand is anywhere near as important as a 50 over World Cup that happens once every 4 years.

I do agree The Ashes should rank about all others though so a yes and no answer to your last point imo

With Stokes I think it all sports you have rare players who actually elevate their game the bigger the game the bigger the pressure it’s a very rare commodity.

And Stokes imo is the very example of above so for that reason alone I would include him and be one of the first names on my team sheet

Yeah, you're right of course, more I think about it. Be daft not to take a player of Stokes' stature to the WC, but at the expense of Brook? I don't know. I just love how he has taken to England cricket this last year. Proper breath of fresh air. I still can't believe he's not in the team let alone the squad. No. 2 name on the batters sheet for me.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Yeah, you're right of course, more I think about it. Be daft not to take a player of Stokes' stature to the WC, but at the expense of Brook? I don't know. I just love how he has taken to England cricket this last year. Proper breath of fresh air. I still can't believe he's not in the team let alone the squad. No. 2 name on the batters sheet for me.

Or yeah no argument from me there absolutely love Brook he is going to be if not already a hell of a player, would have took him over Malan.

But then again hard to argue with Malan’s record.

Guess it’s good we have so much depth

 

[Inside Forward]

Tim Paine saying that Stokes coming out of retirement is all about “me, me, me”. Of course he’d be the authority on selfishness given there is nothing more “me, me, me” than sexting another woman behind your wife’s back.

 

[Ghfd]

Tim Paine saying that Stokes coming out of retirement is all about “me, me, me”. Of course he’d be the authority on selfishness given there is nothing more “me, me, me” than sexting another woman behind your wife’s back.

It’s a standard Aussie jibe . I’ll raise him Warner six months ahead of retiring wanting to play the last test of their summer ahead

 

[SuperK]

Whilst I do agree with your general sentiment. Stokes retired from ODI"s because of scheduling and fitness issues. I don't think he should waltz back in at the expense of Brook, who could play pivotal inning's like Ben did 4 years ago.

We should be looking forward not backwards, and especially since Stokes can't bowl. I can't see the upside to his inclusion, other than sentimentality.

I'm not going to enter into the debate which is more important. Although I will say I rank test cricket above everything.

1. Tests
2. ODI WC
3. T20 WC
4. Every other cricket

Partly agree…but it should read
1. Tests v Australia
2. OD WC
3. T20 WC
4. Closely followed by every other test match
5. Every other cricket
As an English player your career is defined by 1-3

A match winning performance v India is second rank to winning the WC.

 

[Durhamfootman]

I would rather Stokes fixed his knee and rested up for India next year. No way he should have taken the place of Brook in the WC squad.

Brook had a poor IPL, though, which might have counted against him, or at least raised the question over whether he could be at his fluent best at a WC in India. I can't remember exactly, but I think he played in most of his franchise's matches, made one big score and an awful lot of single figure ones. When you can only pick 15 players, you at least know exactly what you're going to get with Stokes.
Anyway, there's still a way to go yet. Lots of time for players to pick up an injury and replacements to be called up, so he might get there yet

 

[Voice of fair play]

Brook had a poor IPL, though, which might have counted against him, or at least raised the question over whether he could be at his fluent best at a WC in India. I can't remember exactly, but I think he played in most of his franchise's matches, made one big score and an awful lot of single figure ones. When you can only pick 15 players, you at least know exactly what you're going to get with Stokes.
Anyway, there's still a way to go yet. Lots of time for players to pick up an injury and replacements to be called up, so he might get there yet

Yeah good shout mate, watched a lot of the IPL and Brook scored a 100 early on, then form fell right off, so much soo he was dropped at one point so imagine with been same conditions that would have countered against him.

Still think he is going to a brilliant player and would have took him but the above and depth in competition probably reasons him not to be

 

[Deleted member 41188]

Tim Paine saying that Stokes coming out of retirement is all about “me, me, me”. Of course he’d be the authority on selfishness given there is nothing more “me, me, me” than sexting another woman behind your wife’s back.

What he says isn’t far wrong though is it?

Extremely harsh on some of the lads who’ve played in the ODI’s the last couple of years. Brook must be gutted.