Harry Angstrom
Striker
Penguins?
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Don't mind feeding everyone if there's plenty to go around, especially on an away day marra. I was brought up not learning not to waste food. Not very often my plate doesn't get cleared.Aye, I can vouch for that. Nothing gets wasted.
When you say "get their shit together", do you mean "stay poor"?The message is very important, but until Asian/African countries get their shit together it's like shouting at the wall.
US snd China are worst polluters. Africa a tiny footprint in comparison.The message is very important, but until Asian/African countries get their shit together it's like shouting at the wall.
Hard to argue with that tbh. However countries like China and Malaysia are not so poor these days.When you say "get their shit together", do you mean "stay poor"?
We in the west got extremely rich by industrialising extremely quickly, and generally burning any fossil fuels we could find. Now we're going around lecturing people who are relatively very poor, but who understandably are envious of all our comfortable wealth, and telling them that there's a limit to how much humans are allowed to exploit the environment for material gain, so now that we've achieved the lofty heights of being able to feel thoroughly good about ourselves by recycling and eating organic veg at least once a week, can the rest of you please remain in abject poverty to save the planet. Thanks, the west.
When you say "get their shit together", do you mean "stay poor"?
We in the west got extremely rich by industrialising extremely quickly, and generally burning any fossil fuels we could find. Now we're going around lecturing people who are relatively very poor, but who understandably are envious of all our comfortable wealth, and telling them that there's a limit to how much humans are allowed to exploit the environment for material gain, so now that we've achieved the lofty heights of being able to feel thoroughly good about ourselves by recycling and eating organic veg at least once a week, can the rest of you please remain in abject poverty to save the planet. Thanks, the west.
Skype. How frightfully noughties. Zoom is the boy these days.Definitely the Skype thing. Then as many holidays as possible by train. Europe has a great rail network, why not take the train to the south of Spain for summer hols.
Hence the heads in the sand and the denying.Those timescales are frightening mind. People on here will have children who will suffer the consequences or it'll be their kids that do.
Lots of poor people in those countries though (Properly poor, not our version). And in South America and Africa. And they aspire to all the luxurious stuff they see us having. I just can't see them listening to fantastically rich (from their perspective) westerners telling them that all the getting rich from exploiting the planet has been used up. By us.Hard to argue with that tbh. However countries like China and Malaysia are not so poor these days.
That's a canny few "nots" there like.Don't mind feeding everyone if there's plenty to go around, especially on an away day marra. I was brought up not learning not to waste food. Not very often my plate doesn't get cleared.
This is the problem. Unless we have a World Govt who can impose Global controls. Not going to happen.Lots of poor people in those countries though (Properly poor, not our version). And in South America and Africa. And they aspire to all the luxurious stuff they see us having. I just can't see them listening to fantastically rich (from their perspective) westerners telling them that all the getting rich from exploiting the planet has been used up. By us.
When you say "get their shit together", do you mean "stay poor"?
We in the west got extremely rich by industrialising extremely quickly, and generally burning any fossil fuels we could find. Now we're going around lecturing people who are relatively very poor, but who understandably are envious of all our comfortable wealth, and telling them that there's a limit to how much humans are allowed to exploit the environment for material gain, so now that we've achieved the lofty heights of being able to feel thoroughly good about ourselves by recycling and eating organic veg at least once a week, can the rest of you please remain in abject poverty to save the planet. Thanks, the west.
The vast majority of "us" haven't learnt a thing, mate (I include myself here). Don't see why "we" should expect "them" to.Fair point but to give the full picture ‘the west’ didn’t know the effects of industrialisation for the majority of the time we have been doing it (we have been far to slow to respond when we did) but does that mean the developing countries should start doing something they already know is damaging the planet? Can they not learn from our mistakes?
The vast majority of "us" haven't learnt a thing, mate (I include myself here). Don't see why "we" should expect "them" to.
They just want cars and hot running water and play stations and the ability to mooch around the house in shorts and t-shirt in winter.
I wouldn't fancy being the representative who has to go and tell them they can't have those things because WE KNOW BETTER.
Humans will do nothing until it's too late.
We wont change. Just read some of the comments on other threads. We are a selfish set of bastards who will destroy this planet one way or the other in less than 100 years.
Spot on, which is why we are royally fucked - there’s an element of schadenfreude in that those nations used to getting by with very little will probably adjust better once we do finally rape Mother Nature to death.Lots of poor people in those countries though (Properly poor, not our version). And in South America and Africa. And they aspire to all the luxurious stuff they see us having. I just can't see them listening to fantastically rich (from their perspective) westerners telling them that all the getting rich from exploiting the planet has been used up. By us.
Mankind knows (should know) better now. What the west did a century or two ago was done in ignorance.When you say "get their shit together", do you mean "stay poor"?
We in the west got extremely rich by industrialising extremely quickly, and generally burning any fossil fuels we could find. Now we're going around lecturing people who are relatively very poor, but who understandably are envious of all our comfortable wealth, and telling them that there's a limit to how much humans are allowed to exploit the environment for material gain, so now that we've achieved the lofty heights of being able to feel thoroughly good about ourselves by recycling and eating organic veg at least once a week, can the rest of you please remain in abject poverty to save the planet. Thanks, the west.
Aye, I can just imagine the British industrialists of the 1850s going, "Oh, wait, apparently all of us getting rich as fuck is going to knack up the planet. Let's all stick to candlelight, horseback and misery."Mankind knows (should know) better now. What the west did a century or two ago was done in ignorance.
Developing countries don't have that excuse.
Because it's quicker and cheaper to fly. That's the bottom line. On the bright side we won't need to go to Spain for warmth soonDefinitely the Skype thing. Then as many holidays as possible by train. Europe has a great rail network, why not take the train to the south of Spain for summer hols.
Tbf most people in developing countries could mooch about the house in shorts and t shirt in winter anyway. They're generally warm placesThe vast majority of "us" haven't learnt a thing, mate (I include myself here). Don't see why "we" should expect "them" to.
They just want cars and hot running water and play stations and the ability to mooch around the house in shorts and t-shirt in winter.
I wouldn't fancy being the representative who has to go and tell them they can't have those things because WE KNOW BETTER.
The message is very important, but until Asian/African countries get their shit together it's like shouting at the wall.