Ashes Team/Thread

[Bri]

They are never really prepared like, its England, thats what pitches are like, it rains most of the year and is mild.

Its only in London you get flat pitches in England, has been in my life time anyway.

Jimmy still going strong, better than ever

Trent Bridge is flat. Sometimes it swings like Glen Miller but if it doesn't …….

 

[Carteron]

I think Denly will fit somewhere in the top 3, made 69 in his last test innings, in a series not many staked a claim.

 

[Temp0101]

Can't believe Ballance not even getting a mention; So far this CC campaign;

9 innings; 603 runs; 86.14 average

 

[The Rat]

Can't believe Ballance not even getting a mention; So far this CC campaign;

9 innings; 603 runs; 86.14 average

I did in opening post marra

I think Denly will fit somewhere in the top 3, made 69 in his last test innings, in a series not many staked a claim.

He probably will play at 3 because he is Smith's love child, but he isn't the answer I reckon

Just a steady eddy in county cricket, no more.

Wouldn't be near but for Smith, if we are going down the experience route there are better options IMO

Nothing against him like, great driver of the ball when he gets it right and can be good to watch

 

[SuperMarcoRowell]

Starting this as doing some work and bored, plus don't want to disrupt world cup thread with any test cricket talk.

Any ashes shite in here

While I start it, will give my Ashes team as it stands, which since the availability of Archer and Wood bowling off a long run up makes some difficult choices. Curran was brilliant in England, Woakes record at home fantastic, and you always want Broad on English pitches against the Aussies.

I can't decide who to fit in.

Roy has to play for me, either opening or at 3, as only places going, not sure much benefit in him playing 4, and can't have Buttler any higher than 5.

The other option is Ballance, who has his criticss, but I think his last few test comebacks aren't what they seem when you look back, one he was bang out of form, and the other he got injured 1 or 2 tests in.

I still think he is the best batsman outside the test squad by some distance, but not at 3

The other player I think they should consider is Sam Northeast, injured last year, but nobody really scores more than him year in year out. Vince would be in my side at min as nobody else really putting hand up, he has quality, and Bartlett the lad from Somerset is the real talent to watch

6,7,8 has to stay the same, need to stop messing them around, we have proved that it doesn't work moving these up the order.

Roy
Burns
Vince
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow (Wk)
Ali
Archer/Wood
Broad
Jimmy

Oval and Lords I might play Wood for Broad, although its close between him and Archer

Curran was so good last summer like, but how do you fit him in? He needs to bat top 6 for Surrey and score big runs

I have no idea basically, we have some talent in the country mind, just need toughening up a bit in test cricket

For @Voice of fair play who I know wants Root at 3, I would consider that if we could get Ballance in at 5, his best position, but it means Buttler at 4, I just don't think that would do him any good.


Rambling post sorry.

I would possibly go with bairstow and defo Roy opening. I would “encourage “ ground staff to prepare pitches that spin so we can get rashid and jack leach into the game. I was really impressed with leach in Sri Lanka.

 

[The Rat]

I would possibly go with bairstow and defo Roy opening. I would “encourage “ ground staff to prepare pitches that spin so we can get rashid and jack leach into the game. I was really impressed with leach in Sri Lanka.

Leach is an excellent bowler, but I'd disagree its the way to go agains the Aussie's, who are so poor against the moving ball, i'd just stick to normal English pitches, most of them cant handle it

Leach will play a fair bit for England, I'd say at minute though Ali at 8 is all we need in England though, maybe he could get a gig at the Oval though for 2 spinners


I don't rate Rashid at test level like but I know he has fans.

 

[scotch]

Bowling attack being between,
Anderson, broad, woakes, curran, leach, wood, archer, rashid, dawson
Alongside stokes and ali

Batting reserves- denly, ballance, foakes, cook ( ), pope

Burns
Roy
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Archer
Wood
Broad
Anderson

Bowl wood and archer in 3 over spells like Mitchell Johnson a few years back with Jimmy and broad keeping things tight, would like to get leach in but then our batting becomes very fragile

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Bowling attack being between,
Anderson, broad, woakes, curran, leach, wood, archer, rashid, dawson
Alongside stokes and ali

Batting reserves- denly, ballance, foakes, cook ( ), pope

Burns
Roy
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Archer
Wood
Broad
Anderson

Bowl wood and archer in 3 over spells like Mitchell Johnson a few years back with Jimmy and broad keeping things tight, would like to get leach in but then our batting becomes very fragile

Pope has a bad injury

 

[Dadsarmy73]

Bowling attack being between,
Anderson, broad, woakes, curran, leach, wood, archer, rashid, dawson
Alongside stokes and ali

Batting reserves- denly, ballance, foakes, cook ( ), pope

Burns
Roy
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Archer
Wood
Broad
Anderson

Bowl wood and archer in 3 over spells like Mitchell Johnson a few years back with Jimmy and broad keeping things tight, would like to get leach in but then our batting becomes very fragile

Like the look of that team but the selectors won’t go with it, there’s too many specialist bowlers, they’ll go for another “all rounder” in place of wood I reckon, which for me would be wrong

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

They aren't, what ty[e of wickets do you expect in England? Have you see the weather and climate?

In England the wickets are made to help the home side. For example Somerset have the best spin attack in the country so they prepare wickets to turn from day 1. Now that they are on a warning they have had to improve them and can't play 2 spinners.
England will give the order for low slow seaming wickets to help their attack. Nothing wrong with that everyone does it and England do it as much as anyone.

 

[The Rat]

Bowling attack being between,
Anderson, broad, woakes, curran, leach, wood, archer, rashid, dawson
Alongside stokes and ali

Batting reserves- denly, ballance, foakes, cook ( ), pope

Burns
Roy
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Archer
Wood
Broad
Anderson

Bowl wood and archer in 3 over spells like Mitchell Johnson a few years back with Jimmy and broad keeping things tight, would like to get leach in but then our batting becomes very fragile

You don't need 6 bowlers and Stokes and Bairstow at 4 n 5 don't work, they are good 6s and 7s

Need to stop moving players out of positon and stick with some proper top order players

In England the wickets are made to help the home side. For example Somerset have the best spin attack in the country so they prepare wickets to turn from day 1. Now that they are on a warning they have had to improve them and can't play 2 spinners.
England will give the order for low slow seaming wickets to help their attack. Nothing wrong with that everyone does it and England do it as much as anyone.

Hmm I dunno I been watching cricket for 20 plus years and the wickets have always been pretty similar, its just the conditions

NZ has the closest climate to us out of the other sides, and its wickets can be similar

 

[Jack Torrance]

Roy
Burns
Vince
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Curran
Archer
Anderson

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

You don't need 6 bowlers and Stokes and Bairstow at 4 n 5 don't work, they are good 6s and 7s

Need to stop moving players out of positon and stick with some proper top order players



Hmm I dunno I been watching cricket for 20 plus years and the wickets have always been pretty similar, its just the conditions

NZ has the closest climate to us out of the other sides, and its wickets can be similar

The big problem for groundsman in this country is to get pace and bounce in the wickets. But so many of these low slow seamers are produced intentionally especially in county cricket.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Starting this as doing some work and bored, plus don't want to disrupt world cup thread with any test cricket talk.

Any ashes shite in here

While I start it, will give my Ashes team as it stands, which since the availability of Archer and Wood bowling off a long run up makes some difficult choices. Curran was brilliant in England, Woakes record at home fantastic, and you always want Broad on English pitches against the Aussies.

I can't decide who to fit in.

Roy has to play for me, either opening or at 3, as only places going, not sure much benefit in him playing 4, and can't have Buttler any higher than 5.

The other option is Ballance, who has his criticss, but I think his last few test comebacks aren't what they seem when you look back, one he was bang out of form, and the other he got injured 1 or 2 tests in.

I still think he is the best batsman outside the test squad by some distance, but not at 3

The other player I think they should consider is Sam Northeast, injured last year, but nobody really scores more than him year in year out. Vince would be in my side at min as nobody else really putting hand up, he has quality, and Bartlett the lad from Somerset is the real talent to watch

6,7,8 has to stay the same, need to stop messing them around, we have proved that it doesn't work moving these up the order.

Roy
Burns
Vince
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow (Wk)
Ali
Archer/Wood
Broad
Jimmy

Oval and Lords I might play Wood for Broad, although its close between him and Archer

Curran was so good last summer like, but how do you fit him in? He needs to bat top 6 for Surrey and score big runs

I have no idea basically, we have some talent in the country mind, just need toughening up a bit in test cricket

For @Voice of fair play who I know wants Root at 3, I would consider that if we could get Ballance in at 5, his best position, but it means Buttler at 4, I just don't think that would do him any good.


Rambling post sorry.

All about opinions mate as we know

But me personally would never have someone as quality as Bairstow so low down where he could be stranded with the tail and left not out for next to nought, and as you know don’t agree putting rookie batsman high in the order especially in such a pressurised series while your most experienced and best batsman stays lower down when he is needed at the top and the team should come first, so I would go.

Burns
Root
Bairstow
Ballance
Roy
Stokes
Buttler (wk)
Ali
Archer
Broad
Anderson.

I think that is a strong side a bit left field, but honestly that’s what I would go.

Clearly we have been struggling at the top of the order for as long as I can remember so why
not try something diffrent rather than keep throwing rookies into the lions den at the top of the order to see them fail time and time again.

Clearly we have no openers playing well in the county championship, coupled with the fact our senior and talented players like Root and Bairstow need to step up to the plate leaving talented players like Ballance and Roy to find their feet in the middle order as the senior players will hopefully see the new ball off.

I honestly think that is the best for the side, could not give 2 fucks that Root prefers 4 or that Bairstow prefers to keep.

What I care about is what is best for the team

 

[Mainze]

Starting this as doing some work and bored, plus don't want to disrupt world cup thread with any test cricket talk.

Any ashes shite in here

While I start it, will give my Ashes team as it stands, which since the availability of Archer and Wood bowling off a long run up makes some difficult choices. Curran was brilliant in England, Woakes record at home fantastic, and you always want Broad on English pitches against the Aussies.

I can't decide who to fit in.

Roy has to play for me, either opening or at 3, as only places going, not sure much benefit in him playing 4, and can't have Buttler any higher than 5.

The other option is Ballance, who has his criticss, but I think his last few test comebacks aren't what they seem when you look back, one he was bang out of form, and the other he got injured 1 or 2 tests in.

I still think he is the best batsman outside the test squad by some distance, but not at 3

The other player I think they should consider is Sam Northeast, injured last year, but nobody really scores more than him year in year out. Vince would be in my side at min as nobody else really putting hand up, he has quality, and Bartlett the lad from Somerset is the real talent to watch

6,7,8 has to stay the same, need to stop messing them around, we have proved that it doesn't work moving these up the order.

Roy
Burns
Vince
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow (Wk)
Ali
Archer/Wood
Broad
Jimmy

Oval and Lords I might play Wood for Broad, although its close between him and Archer

Curran was so good last summer like, but how do you fit him in? He needs to bat top 6 for Surrey and score big runs

I have no idea basically, we have some talent in the country mind, just need toughening up a bit in test cricket

For @Voice of fair play who I know wants Root at 3, I would consider that if we could get Ballance in at 5, his best position, but it means Buttler at 4, I just don't think that would do him any good.


Rambling post sorry.

I agree with that team.

 

[The Rat]

All about opinions mate as we know

But me personally would never have someone as quality as Bairstow so low down where he could be stranded with the tail and left not out for next to nought, and as you know don’t agree putting rookie batsman high in the order especially in such a pressurised series while your most experienced and best batsman stays lower down when he is needed at the top and the team should come first, so I would go.

Burns
Root
Bairstow
Ballance
Roy
Stokes
Buttler (wk)
Ali
Archer
Broad
Anderson.

I think that is a strong side a bit left field, but honestly that’s what I would go.

Clearly we have been struggling at the top of the order for as long as I can remember so why
not try something diffrent rather than keep throwing rookies into the lions den at the top of the order to see them fail time and time again.

Clearly we have no openers playing well in the county championship, coupled with the fact our senior and talented players like Root and Bairstow need to step up to the plate leaving talented players like Ballance and Roy to find their feet in the middle order as the senior players will hopefully see the new ball off.

I honestly think that is the best for the side, could not give 2 fucks that Root prefers 4 or that Bairstow prefers to keep.

What I care about is what is best for the team

It’s all about opinions but there is no way root opening and bairstow at 3 is best for the team

They’ll score much less runs than in their best positions the team will suffer

Roy will definitely open anyway mind

We tried stokes, bairstow, Ali up the order and it hasn’t worked like, not sure anyone would want to go there again personally

Also can’t captain and open, it’s one of the hardest things in test cricket to do, root would he fucked

 

[Voice of fair play]

It’s all about opinions but there is no way root opening and bairstow at 3 is best for the team

They’ll score much less runs than in their best positions the team will suffer

Roy will definitely open anyway mind

We tried stokes, bairstow, Ali up the order and it hasn’t worked like, not sure anyone would want to go there again personally

Also can’t captain and open, it’s one of the hardest things in test cricket to do, root would he fucked

It wouldn’t happen I agree, because amazingly it seems players decide what they want, however I honestly think that would be best for the side and certainly give Roy and Ballance to chance to flourish, after the shine has come off the ball, while getting rid of a massive problem of just picking another opener or number 3 who are clearly not good enough and a walking wicket just to suit one individual not the team.

I am not trying to be awkward mate,I genuinely think that and have explained the rationale although I know you disagree.

 

[The Rat]

It wouldn’t happen I agree, because amazingly it seems players decide what they want, however I honestly think that would be best for the side and certainly give Roy and Ballance to chance to flourish, after the shine has come off the ball, while getting rid of a massive problem of just picking another opener or number 3 who are clearly not good enough and a walking wicket just to suit one individual not the team.

I am not trying to be awkward mate,I genuinely think that and have explained the rationale although I know you disagree.

Jonny bairstow is never ever a test number 3 like sorry, I just think this best for team logic is totally flawed, he’d score less runs there, he’s world class at 7, stokes is world class at 6, they ain’t world class number 3 n 4s, not in technique or temperament

Buttler is more suited to batting up the order not them 2

 

[Voice of fair play]

Jonny bairstow is never ever a test number 3 like sorry, I just think this best for team logic is totally flawed, he’d score less runs there, he’s world class at 7, stokes is world class at 6, they ain’t world class number 3 n 4s, not in technique or temperament

Buttler is more suited to batting up the order not them 2

To me it’s not a question of whether he is a test number 3, it’s a question of whether he is a better test number 3 than the other options available.

We don’t have a test number 3 that’s the point.

I had Stokes at 6 so not sure what you getting at with him.

 

[The Rat]

To me it’s not a question of whether he is a test number 3, it’s a question of whether he is a better test number 3 than the other options available.

We don’t have a test number 3 that’s the point.

I had Stokes at 6 so not sure what you getting at with him.

He’s not though, and you are also taking away a world class keeper batsman and the strength of thr side