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Are Forest a big club

Bulwell said:
Only on here are we a bigger club than West Ham. :lol:

Ridiculous.
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We are joint 6th in the list of English League Champions, along with Chelsea but we are ranked above having finished runners-up 5 times to Chelsea's 4. Unless you gauge success on the Premier League, rather than actual history then SAFC are light years above West Ham who haven't even won it once. We also broke the world record transfer fee 3 times in our history.

Where you're on firmer ground would be on all time attendance which is very similar, around 25k each (along with Leeds).
 

1874 said:
Man Utd
Liverpool
Arsenal
Chelsea
City
Spurs
Everton
Villa
Leeds
Newcastle
Sunderland

Those are the proper big clubs obviously huge gaps in between some of those clubs

Then you have your other big clubs which ain’t quite as big as first list .
Forest
Wolves
West Ham
Wednesday
Leicester
etc etc probably a few more

They are increasing capacity to 40k
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Man utd
Liverpool
Arsenal and spurs.
These could sell out Wembley week in week out.
Not sure the others you mentioned could imo
 
LUBITSCH said:
Exactly; WHU never got particularly big crowds in the twentieth century before grounds, like Roker Park, had their capacities slashed. They might well have attracted bigger attendances from the 1990's on if they'd had a bigger stadium. The crowds they're getting now are strikingly big; it's the old "build it and they'll come" effect: or in their case "get the taxpayer to build it and we'll reap the benefits".
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I knew they needed a bigger ground but that’s a huge leap . Something must be going on to be filling it like they do . There’s clubs with bigger fan bases who couldn’t pull those crowds in.
Nuneaton Youth said:
Man utd
Liverpool
Arsenal and spurs.
These could sell out Wembley week in week out.
Not sure the others you mentioned could imo
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Wouldn’t argue with that
 
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kildaremackem said:
thw est ham crpwds are bigger now because they have a stadium big enough to hold that many people..if they had a stadium that bg a decade ago or two decades ago they would have also got these crowds..its why attendance at games is a simplistic metric..more relevant is, are they selling all the seast they have regualrly...
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I used to live in Nottingham which was a fantastic place to live, even if I drove up to Sunderland every home game as I kept my season ticket. When not watching the lads, I used to do a 'walk in' for the last 10 mins or so at Forest or County, whoever was at home, it was amazing how many goals I saw whilst not paying. I like both clubs, both proper clubs and I know Forest have some unpleasant fans, I saw some punches thrown against our own fans a few times on the way back to the Station, but generally the ones I used to find myself sitting near where old boys, they knew their football and were good fun. County is actually in Nottingham on the City side of the Trent, Forest is in Rushcliffe in terms of council, next to the cricket ground of course. Being nostalgic I used to enjoy going to Meadow Lane and I'm glad they are back where they belong now, I hope both teams do well and when you compare to Palace, Bournemouth etc. these clubs have much more tradition in my view.

Just to add one anecdote. I lived in Bridgford the first time around, and Cloughie's I think daughter or in-law had a newsagent there, he used to be in there all the time just sitting chatting to her. One time I spoke to him and said I followed The Lads, he told me there were only two results he looked for, us and Derby. He didn't live too much longer but he still had the amazing charisma and that comment will stay with me, he really loved The Lads.
 
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kildaremackem said:
isnt it that one half of hthe city-ie one side of the river trent-is notts county-the other side notss forest-but both within the city boundaries?
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Someone posted earlier that the city ground is in west bridgford but that’s still a part of the Nottingham city conurbation.

I don’t think that geography plays a big part in the support now, perhaps it once did.

The only situation I know with a geographical divide is Hull fc and Hull KR who are divided by the river and as far as I’m aware, the support for each rugby club is mainly from each side.

But nowadays I’d have thought such distinctions would have narrowed.
 
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Tristan S Mackem said:
I used to live in Nottingham which was a fantastic place to live, even if I drove up to Sunderland every home game as I kept my season ticket. When not watching the lads, I used to do a 'walk in' for the last 10 mins or so at Forest or County, whoever was at home, it was amazing how many goals I saw whilst not paying. I like both clubs, both proper clubs and I know Forest have some unpleasant fans, I saw some punches thrown against our own fans a few times on the way back to the Station, but generally the ones I used to find myself sitting near where old boys, they knew their football and were good fun. County is actually in Nottingham on the City side of the Trent, Forest is in Rushcliffe in terms of council, next to the cricket ground of course. Being nostalgic I used to enjoy going to Meadow Lane and I'm glad they are back where they belong now, I hope both teams do well and when you compare to Palace, Bournemouth etc. these clubs have much more tradition in my view.
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Forest was a pretty rough place to go for away fans at times
 
kildaremackem said:
thw est ham crpwds are bigger now because they have a stadium big enough to hold that many people..if they had a stadium that bg a decade ago or two decades ago they would have also got these crowds..its why attendance at games is a simplistic metric..more relevant is, are they selling all the seast they have regualrly...
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Sorry but that simply isn't true, West Ham do have a good fanbase that is correct and their attendances were definitely rising before there stadium move and they were selling out a 35k stadium but to suggest they could have sold out a bigger stadium decades before is simply bullshit they averaged well below 25k many times before the turn of the century

New match going fans have been attracted to the new stadium by low prices for adults in many parts of the stadium around £320 for a season ticket and 15k seats at kids prices of £99 for a season ticket which has attracted lots of families which is a good thing for West Ham going forward

Also West Ham like Arsenal and many other clubs report attendances by the tickets that are sold and not the actual attendance on the day, Spurs are one of the few clubs that report the actual attendance on match days, hence if you look on police records the actual attendances are often as low as 45k at West Ham as they were at Arsenal before they improved massively over the last year or two.

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Houghtoner said:
Historic club but giants? That Clough period was just a total one off. It’s still unbelievable now so I can’t imagine what it was like at the time.
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It was equally unbelievable at the time.

We were a bigger club than them when they pipped us to promotion from the Second Division.

I saw the game at Burnden that season and if you'd told me that they were going to win the First Division the season after with pretty much the same team they fielded that day, i'd have thought you'd lost the plot.
 
Currently reading “Provided You Don’t Kiss Me - 20 years with Brian Clough”. Amazing what he did and it looks like they were in the cusp of breaking Liverpool’s dominance and becoming a major force in the first division. The book suggests that the split with Peter Taylor was instrumental in their relationship inability to push on in the early 80s. Fantastic book BTW.
 
Tom333 said:
Currently reading “Provided You Don’t Kiss Me - 20 years with Brian Clough”. Amazing what he did and it looks like they were in the cusp of breaking Liverpool’s dominance and becoming a major force in the first division. The book suggests that the split with Peter Taylor was instrumental in their relationship inability to push on in the early 80s. Fantastic book BTW.
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Read that, great book.
 
Visiting owl said:
Maybe the results would be to do with the age of the voter.

I am 56, so remember clearly Forest being one of the best in the late 80s so I would rank them as number one. Ask a teenager and they would probably say Leicester.
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So you must also remember Derby winning the league twice in the early/mid seventies as well.

They also reached the semi-final of the European Cup in '73 and semi-final of the F.A. Cup in '77.
 
Mace said:
Man Utd Liverpool

Arsenal City Chelsea

Villa Everton Mags Us Spurs

Leeds Forest West Ham

Sheff Wed West Brom Wolves Blackburn Leicester Ipswich Burnley

Top 20 in the country imo
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Based on what though?

Trophies? Support? Seasons in top flight?

Burnley wouldn't be in the top 20 in any of those criteria.
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
Based on what though?

Trophies? Support? Seasons in top flight?

Burnley wouldn't be in the top 20 in any of those criteria.
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Yes all the things you mentioned.
No one comes close to the top 4 I mentioned earlier.
Then 5th and 6th would be Chelsea and Manchester city due to recent success.
Beneath them is probs 20 teams who could argue there bigger than them
 
Tom333 said:
Currently reading “Provided You Don’t Kiss Me - 20 years with Brian Clough”. Amazing what he did and it looks like they were in the cusp of breaking Liverpool’s dominance and becoming a major force in the first division. The book suggests that the split with Peter Taylor was instrumental in their relationship inability to push on in the early 80s. Fantastic book BTW.
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Love that one and Daniel Taylor’s I Believe In Miracles is great too, the book which accompanies the film.
 
SpiritofBurnden said:
So you must also remember Derby winning the league twice in the early/mid seventies as well.

They also reached the semi-final of the European Cup in '73 and semi-final of the F.A. Cup in '77.
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Not really, only remember stuff from around 77, my first F,A cup final memory is Man Utd v Liverpool in 77
 
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