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an all time hard men eleven

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geronimo06 said:
1 toni schumacher
2 giuseppe bergomi
3 franco baresi
4 vinny jones
5 dave mackay
6 norman hunter
7 eric cantona
8 gennaro gattuso
9 duncan ferguson
10 billy whitehust
11 mick harford

i would love to see that lot play in the modern game nowadays , and how many of them would be left on the pitch after ninety minutes
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Thought this was niche hardcore gay porn. Tea towel, hand lotion and a lifetime of denial hurriedly put away.
 
vinegar hill said:
He was box to box
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Don't know which Liverpool teams you were watching but Terry Mc was the legs late 70's early 80's, they had a competition every season, most goals, TMc won every time, Souness alludes to it in his book, he's even called himself a sitting midfielder live on Sky.
He got his fair share of goals but you could never describe as the same type of player as Bryan Robson, Steven Gerrard (although he moved back for the last few years his career), Frank Lampard, a late career Scholes, an early career Keane, a David Platt or a Michael Carrick.
Souness got forward enough but used his intelligence to spot the opportunity, and he was playing with brilliant players who could pick his run, but most of the time he was the one providing the pass.
 
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Jarramelinos said:
Don't know which Liverpool teams you were watching but Terry Mc was the legs late 70's early 80's, they had a competition every season, most goals, TMc won every time, Souness alludes to it in his book, he's even called himself a sitting midfielder live on Sky.
He got his fair share of goals but you could never describe as the same type of player as Bryan Robson, Steven Gerrard (although he moved back for the last few years his career), Frank Lampard, a late career Scholes, an early career Keane, a David Platt or a Michael Carrick.
Souness got forward enough but used his intelligence to spot the opportunity, and he was playing with brilliant players who could pick his run, but most of the time he was the one providing the pass.
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He wasn’t just a sitting midfielder, he was more than that he got himself around the park.
If you’re telling me he just sat in front of the back four then I’m not sure what you were watching.
 
There's a difference between being "hard", and being a thug.

And as regards the former category, I've yet to see anyone harder than Norman Whiteside, the original Shankill Skinhead.

As a 14 y.o., when most kids his age had a paper round, or a Saturday morning job in a shop, he had a job on a coal lorry - hence the skinhead haircut (keep the coal dust out).

When he signed for Man U, Bobby Charlton said he was the only kid he ever saw who was as strong as the late, great Duncan Edwards.

When he made his debut for NI in the 1982 World Cup Finals as a 17 y.o. striker, first game up was against Yugoslavia, always skilful, but notoriously tough bastards. Anyhow, after about 5 minutes, their CB kicked Norman hard, very hard, in a "Welcome to mens' football" sort of a way.. Norman didn't react. Then a few minutes later, the same CB got the ball, and Norm waited until he had just released it before almost making him the first Yugoslav in space. "Welcome to Norman Whiteside!".

While a Liverpool fan once told me that the only time he ever saw Steve McMahon bottle it in a game was when he was up against Whiteside - "Absolutely shat himself", was how I think he put it.
 
Hard man is the one who takes the two footed tackle from the dirty player , smiles then clatters him next challenge.

Souness, Keane , McMahon , Harford, Jones, Ferguson and Ball are 7 of those of latter years but sure McNab and co were like that.
 
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vinegar hill said:
He wasn’t just a sitting midfielder, he was more than that he got himself around the park.
If you’re telling me he just sat in front of the back four then I’m not sure what you were watching.
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Can you not read??
"Souness got forward enough but used his intelligence to spot the opportunity, and he was playing with brilliant players who could pick his run, but most of the time he was the one providing the pass"
You could never in a million years, describe Souness as "box to box". He was a midfield general, an enforcer who could kick with the best & play with the best of them
 
Jarramelinos said:
Can you not read??
"Souness got forward enough but used his intelligence to spot the opportunity, and he was playing with brilliant players who could pick his run, but most of the time he was the one providing the pass"
You could never in a million years, describe Souness as "box to box". He was a midfield general, an enforcer who could kick with the best & play with the best of them
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So he never got box to box?
 
vinegar hill said:
So he never got box to box?
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Whatever mate 😴😴
It depends on your interpretation of a box to box midfielder.
My interpretation of a box to box midfielder is a Bryan Robson, a Terry McDermott, a David Platt, an early career Roy Keane, someone who doesn't get to involved in the build up of play but will make a 3rd man run to finish off a move.
Souness didn't do that consistently, his game was dictating the play, like Glenn Hoddle or Ray Wilkins.....but you already know that, you're just being pedantic (or you didn't see Souness play).
 
Jarramelinos said:
Whatever mate 😴😴
It depends on your interpretation of a box to box midfielder.
My interpretation of a box to box midfielder is a Bryan Robson, a Terry McDermott, a David Platt, an early career Roy Keane, someone who doesn't get to involved in the build up of play but will make a 3rd man run to finish off a move.
Souness didn't do that consistently, his game was dictating the play, like Glenn Hoddle or Ray Wilkins.....but you already know that, you're just being pedantic (or you didn't see Souness play).
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He was described as a holding midfielder and he wasn’t. I wasn’t being pedantic I simply gave an opinion which differs from yours and you don’t seem to be able to handle that.
 
vinegar hill said:
He was described as a holding midfielder and he wasn’t. I wasn’t being pedantic I simply gave an opinion which differs from yours and you don’t seem to be able to handle that.
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I can handle it, not a problem, you're entitled to it, I just don't agree with you, I think your miles away from being right mind.
We're never going to agree, leave it at that.
 
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