Roker Pierre
Central Defender
Dunno about that but Cridge was called out for saying Villa would finish above them within a couple of years.
A cautionary tale for upcoming clubs ...
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steve30000
Striker
Depends what you mean by success. Especially in a league where you get 100m for finishing bottom.. Ridiculous
They’ve played 4 out of their 5 games against top 8 sides. They’ll be ok.
bernardbresslaw
Striker
Fair enough, but if staying in the division is more important than having a crack at Europe there's no point in being in the Premier anyway.
BumbleBee
Striker
13 of 20 made a profit last year.
Super Colin Todd
Striker
Deja vu here.....2012, Ryanair and all that!
oldboy
Winger
Last season thats where they got all their points. If they could have mirrored the results they got versus the top half against the bottom half last season, they'd have finished top 4.
samaistonsrightfoot
Striker
Not sure tbh. Not off the top of my head anyway. Certainly none stand out. Will probably be one or two.
Burnley last seaoan struggled until they were knocked out. Everton were in it season before last and ended up needing big Sam to get them out the shit. Southampton the season before did OK I think?
sid84763
Winger
It's a poxy excuse peddled by PL teams as a distraction. They travel 1st class everywhere and have nowt to worry about. The lower leagues play Tuesday and Saturday and there is no distraction or excuse. Fuck me, Norwich beat Man City. I had Chelsea to get beat on Super 6 but them young lads stepped up. Theycall have a wealth of resources, no excuses
oldboy
Winger
They didn't strengthen enough for Europe. Its still a very shallow squad, much like Burnley's was last season. They spent all their money this summer making their loanees permanent.
Everyone talks about the likes of Wolves, Leicester and Everton capitalising is someone drops out of the top 4. For me, much easier route into the Champions League would be to focus on winning the Europa.
Everyone talks about the likes of Wolves, Leicester and Everton capitalising is someone drops out of the top 4. For me, much easier route into the Champions League would be to focus on winning the Europa.
I think one of the big four had an improvement in the league one season when they missed out on the Champions League and played Europa instead (Conte winning the league maybe?). Other than that in the last 10 seasons I think the average drop off is something like 15 points for clubs in following season when playing Europa League football.
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Away wins at Besiktas and Man City. Not a bad week for the Wolves that.
Mary Hinge
Striker
Riv knaas his stuff...
the dark one
Winger
I wish it cripples us for a season or so.
Cheeky little bump that, Flicky.
Nukehasslefan
Winger
Too many clubs are chasing shadows.
A fair few had a crack at spending big until they realised that spending big also comes with paying out big wage packets...and to players that soon become over expectant for delivering less than they promised.
The only real way to compete is to juggle your own squad and ensure you don't break budgets. Now when I say, compete, I mean competing against the best of the rest outside of the biased elite over a course of a season...because that's what we're dealing with, whichever club manages to make it into the also ran league.
Most clubs can have a crack at going gung ho with TV money and most clubs then have to play a juggling act when they try and fail to get past a flirt with the top 7 or so and then slip.
What you see is a lot of yoyo's. A lot of clubs that almost take it in turns to be the next set of bottom feeders after a mid table feast, to then spend time in another league, then back up to start again.
Most clubs do not get the chance to have big spend contingency plans and this is why those who do, stay at the top, even if they appear to lose out by paying mammoth transfer fees and wages to players that simply have attitude not befitting the club they're at. Man Utd are a prime example of that.
The thing with Man Utd is, they can go again and again when things don't go right. Bin a manager and get in another. Most managers will jump at the chance...not just because its Man utd but also because they do not have to follow an immediate successful pattern because that was destroyed when Ferguson cleverly backed away after leaving a squad of, almost pensioners (cough)...(and disillusioned one's at that, in some cases) to Moyes, who could not win in terms of beginning to assemble a Ferguson type heyday squad but also could not lose in terms of being set up for life, wages wise.
In a twisted sort of way, it appears Ferguson deliberately sabotaged that squad to ensure nobody takes away his limelight.
Anyway, if any club wants to play among the elites, they have to have an owner that can waste as much money as needed and pay as much wages as required, then fail and do it all again as if nothing is amiss. And only then will any owner get to a stage where his club can compete.
Man City are a prime example of that and look where they are now.
But let's not kid ourselves.
The Man City types breed expectation. There's no more hope and excitement for most. It's about win win win or else you'll suffer our wrath.
I know many people would likely say " yeah but I'd be happy with that if we could be up there and win trophies."
Aye, it is appealing....but for how long under that guise?
Other fans calling those clubs plastic clubs with plastic fans. In a way it's fairly true and it does kill off the ordinary working class fan who generally get priced out of the bought success.
Many Newcastle fans despise Mike Ashley. I actually like the bloke. He's the best thing to happen to Newcastle for a long time. Why?
Because he's kept it real. He's kept it as a bonafide fans club and he is not for being bullied by fans or by other big clubs.
And he will only spend what he can afford whilst also having a back up contingency plan.
The man is hated to high heaven for that and everything else that's come off it..as if he's the only businessman in the world that does underhand stuff and tells porkies.
I want better for Newcastle United but I only want it if we earn it..and mercenaries demanding £200,000/250,000...etc, a week to win your a trophy or two and then basically go into pet lip mode, wanting bigger salaries or refusing to play to their potential or wanting out and upsetting the applecart. Nahhhhhhh.
As much as the football can be better, I think most clubs actually lose their real identity and like I said, the real fans get priced out in favour of expectant audience.
I mean think about it. A manager like Guardiola having to seduce his own fans into taking part in watching champions league games. If there's ever one thing to show what buying into elites does, it's stuff like this.
I've seen enough bad times at Newcastle and enough good and indifferent times to understand that it's not generally about being successful, it's literally about the hope of being successful at something and getting a bit of it, even if it's a flirt with a final or a lower league title win.
When we won the title against Brighton in the championship, I couldn't have mustered any more excitement than if we'd won the European cup or the premier league.
Football is all about the aftermath of a game and then the hope for the following game. The end product is for the despairs and joys of no success, near success or success, respectively, whether it's a win against a team you almost expected to win but didn't dare predict for fear of scudding it to beating a team you begged to defeat but worried about your team managing it.
It's all about hope, whether you're in non-league or premier league.
Four things to look at when you're a football fan (as an instance, for me).
1. Never give up hope, no matter what; however low you think you can go, because out of bad always comes good.
2. Alway try and look for the positives to blanket cover any negatives and if you can't, then blank your mind ready for the next go.
3. Always give your honest opinion no matter if it differs from the majority. Your game is not someone else's game because your mindset does not always see the exact same game as the next person, because none of you are looking through anyone else's eyes at all particular going's on, on that pitch or in your club....etc.
And also, majority is not a word for absolute fact.
4. Always laugh in your darkest hour.
A fair few had a crack at spending big until they realised that spending big also comes with paying out big wage packets...and to players that soon become over expectant for delivering less than they promised.
The only real way to compete is to juggle your own squad and ensure you don't break budgets. Now when I say, compete, I mean competing against the best of the rest outside of the biased elite over a course of a season...because that's what we're dealing with, whichever club manages to make it into the also ran league.
Most clubs can have a crack at going gung ho with TV money and most clubs then have to play a juggling act when they try and fail to get past a flirt with the top 7 or so and then slip.
What you see is a lot of yoyo's. A lot of clubs that almost take it in turns to be the next set of bottom feeders after a mid table feast, to then spend time in another league, then back up to start again.
Most clubs do not get the chance to have big spend contingency plans and this is why those who do, stay at the top, even if they appear to lose out by paying mammoth transfer fees and wages to players that simply have attitude not befitting the club they're at. Man Utd are a prime example of that.
The thing with Man Utd is, they can go again and again when things don't go right. Bin a manager and get in another. Most managers will jump at the chance...not just because its Man utd but also because they do not have to follow an immediate successful pattern because that was destroyed when Ferguson cleverly backed away after leaving a squad of, almost pensioners (cough)...(and disillusioned one's at that, in some cases) to Moyes, who could not win in terms of beginning to assemble a Ferguson type heyday squad but also could not lose in terms of being set up for life, wages wise.
In a twisted sort of way, it appears Ferguson deliberately sabotaged that squad to ensure nobody takes away his limelight.
Anyway, if any club wants to play among the elites, they have to have an owner that can waste as much money as needed and pay as much wages as required, then fail and do it all again as if nothing is amiss. And only then will any owner get to a stage where his club can compete.
Man City are a prime example of that and look where they are now.
But let's not kid ourselves.
The Man City types breed expectation. There's no more hope and excitement for most. It's about win win win or else you'll suffer our wrath.
I know many people would likely say " yeah but I'd be happy with that if we could be up there and win trophies."
Aye, it is appealing....but for how long under that guise?
Other fans calling those clubs plastic clubs with plastic fans. In a way it's fairly true and it does kill off the ordinary working class fan who generally get priced out of the bought success.
Many Newcastle fans despise Mike Ashley. I actually like the bloke. He's the best thing to happen to Newcastle for a long time. Why?
Because he's kept it real. He's kept it as a bonafide fans club and he is not for being bullied by fans or by other big clubs.
And he will only spend what he can afford whilst also having a back up contingency plan.
The man is hated to high heaven for that and everything else that's come off it..as if he's the only businessman in the world that does underhand stuff and tells porkies.
I want better for Newcastle United but I only want it if we earn it..and mercenaries demanding £200,000/250,000...etc, a week to win your a trophy or two and then basically go into pet lip mode, wanting bigger salaries or refusing to play to their potential or wanting out and upsetting the applecart. Nahhhhhhh.
As much as the football can be better, I think most clubs actually lose their real identity and like I said, the real fans get priced out in favour of expectant audience.
I mean think about it. A manager like Guardiola having to seduce his own fans into taking part in watching champions league games. If there's ever one thing to show what buying into elites does, it's stuff like this.
I've seen enough bad times at Newcastle and enough good and indifferent times to understand that it's not generally about being successful, it's literally about the hope of being successful at something and getting a bit of it, even if it's a flirt with a final or a lower league title win.
When we won the title against Brighton in the championship, I couldn't have mustered any more excitement than if we'd won the European cup or the premier league.
Football is all about the aftermath of a game and then the hope for the following game. The end product is for the despairs and joys of no success, near success or success, respectively, whether it's a win against a team you almost expected to win but didn't dare predict for fear of scudding it to beating a team you begged to defeat but worried about your team managing it.
It's all about hope, whether you're in non-league or premier league.
Four things to look at when you're a football fan (as an instance, for me).
1. Never give up hope, no matter what; however low you think you can go, because out of bad always comes good.
2. Alway try and look for the positives to blanket cover any negatives and if you can't, then blank your mind ready for the next go.
3. Always give your honest opinion no matter if it differs from the majority. Your game is not someone else's game because your mindset does not always see the exact same game as the next person, because none of you are looking through anyone else's eyes at all particular going's on, on that pitch or in your club....etc.
And also, majority is not a word for absolute fact.
4. Always laugh in your darkest hour.
The Butcher
Striker
Not reading all that, please summarise
Deleted User 11453
Striker
It’s quite a good read to be fair.
chriswallace85
Striker
What we need is a tidal wave...
