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They are, but by the same token they’re also due to go big once in this series.


Continued fielding for a bit more, eventually went off for treatment and didn’t bowl again. Could be him out the series that.


But we aren’t. Not in this series. We’re 2-1 down.

The Ashes are all that matters this year.
It’s like any sport though, if Sunderland we playing shit football and getting beat, than got a new manager started playing brilliant attacking football and winning a load of games I would be over the moon.

Then if we got beat of Newcastle by been too attacking and made some mistakes by been too attacking yes I would be pissed off at that moment.

But I would still look at the bigger picture and the previous games and the success we had.

And would not because of a close loss, go back to the shit football and style we used to play.

Guess my point is Australia a really good test side and even if we get beat in a very good close series that should not change a very successful approach before that series imo at least
 
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The fines are being issued but clearly aren’t working.

Start applying run penalties

I’d go much harsher personally.

+10 runs for every over not bowled in a day. Minus one fielder for the following day for every over not bowled in a day. One match ban for the captain for the next game if any overs aren’t bowled in a day. I’d also fine the umpires 100% of their match fee if overs aren’t bowled. It’s THEM who are supposed to ensure the game is being played at the end of the day.

Alternatively, keep the bastards out there until all overs are bowled irrespective of how late it is - that would work here where light in the summer is normally good until we’ll beyond 20:00.
It’s like any sport though, if Sunderland we playing shit football and getting beat, than got a new manager started playing brilliant attacking football and winning a load of games I would be over the moon.

Then if we got beat of Newcastle by been too attacking and made some mistakes by been too attacking yes I would be pissed off at that moment.

But would still look at the bigger picture and the previous games and the success we had.

And would not because of a close loss, go back to the shit football and style we used to play.

Guess my point is Australia a really good test side and even if we get beat in a very good close series that should not change a very successful approach before that series imo at least

Massive false equivalence unfortunately.
 
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Hopefully the pitch will fall apart tomorrow. Need to get Stokes, Brook and Bairstow to run straight up the middle of the pitch for the first hour.

25 overs before lunch (weather permitting) .... 175 runs. Declare
 
I’d go much harsher personally.

+10 runs for every over not bowled in a day. Minus one fielder for the following day for every over not bowled in a day. One match ban for the captain for the next game if any overs aren’t bowled in a day. I’d also fine the umpires 100% of their match fee if overs aren’t bowled. It’s THEM who are supposed to ensure the game is being played at the end of the day.

Alternatively, keep the bastards out there until all overs are bowled irrespective of how late it is - that would work here where light in the summer is normally good until we’ll beyond 20:00.


Massive false equivalence unfortunately.
You know what I mean though, just because of a very close series loss, if we lose and some mistakes made.

Just because of a very emotive series and playing a very good side which Australia are both, should not imo, cloud our judgement of what has changed our test fortunes and brought us success.

Maybe fine tune it agreed
 

Just checked anarl....50 overs at most tomorrow?

Bat for 30, lead of 220
Bowl for 20, get them 4 down

Easy
Lot of sense spoken there Carty lad.

Starc could be f*cked with his shoulder, it’ll be a big ask for Cummins to play all 5, they don’t trust Boland and they don’t appear to have a spinner they trust either following the Lyon injury - which was huge for this series.

I said coming into this game that even though they’re 2-1 up, the Aussies have far more questions about their team than we do - whilst a number of England players shouldn’t really be in the side for various reasons, one thing that must be praised is the clarity with which Stokes and Baz have shown in their selections and with the trust they have for certain players.

Who else have they got? Michael Neser?
 
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Simply solution. Apply a penalty of overs short x innings run rate. Australia would have upped the rate if they we looking at a 35-40 run addition to England's score overnight.
We were seven short yesterday when all the overs were being bowled by an England side supposedly desperate to win, supposedly with a move the game on at all costs philosophy, and with plenty of front line spin.

By my maths, with the cheating Aussies doing everything they could to delay matters and exploit their lack of a spinner, allowing for the 7.2 of the Aussie innings which rounds to 8 and the two deducted for the between innings we were eight short.

Fact is modern test cricketers just can’t do their overs, even when it’s massively in their interests.
 
Surely though it had to be put into context?

It has also led us to 3 0 victories over two other top nations and completely transformed our test fortunes from where we were before it.

I do agree at times during this series mistakes have been made because of it.

But putting everything into context it has been a big success surely?
It’s a gambler’s strategy. That’s the context. Someone who only bets on hands that can’t lose isn’t going to play a game. Which is kind of the old philosophy. That avoids defeat at all costs. The one that wouldn’t chase 260 in 70 overs because “what happens if we lose mummy?”

But equally recklessness has to have an expectation of return. Someone who bets too often on hands that are likely to lose isn’t going to play for long. Or keep hold of their house.

A good gambler accepts the losses if the strategy is right and the test is when the wins outweigh the losses. They do so far especially last year. Even this, I am personally convinced that the gambles that were taken at Edgbaston were right because probabilistically they increased our chance of winning more than losing. We just buggered up the execution. At Lords, not so much perhaps. At Headingley we got it right again.
Three or four of the Aussies sprinted after him to shake his hand too, as much as they’ve shown their ‘true colours’ on occasion in this series it was indeed a touch of class the way they responded to Crawley today.
Reluctant to resurrect this but your true colours comment is unfair for me. Spirit of cricket says hard but fair. They congratulated an achievement enthusiastically. They ran some gormless bloke out in circumstances where everyone who’s ever kept wicket has tried but most of us (except the England coach of course) always missed.

Fits hard but fair to me.
Massive false equivalence unfortunately.
Can you substantiate because it looks quite a good analogy to me?

This strategic approach has turned a side that only eighteen months ago was glad to avoid an innings defeat to the West Indies (remember them? They lose to Scotland) into one that is great to watch. One that clinched a series win last year against both the world champions and the world no 1. One that won 3-0 away in Pakistan when no previous England side had won more than one.

Just now it might be losing (not lost, merely losing) to the opponent you think matters most. Your “Newcastle“ if you like. Mine too as it goes. But even so, it’s not time to throw it all out surely?
Why does this system default to editing your last post? Those three would be better separate.
 
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Can you substantiate because it looks quite a good analogy to me?

Comparing a football season to a run of Test Series’ over a couple of years is a false equivalence to me. I’m not sure I can substantiate it anymore than that.

I didn’t for one second suggest that those previous victories count for nothing or that they must be forgotten about - I’m merely suggesting that #BazBall v Australia must be compared only to #BazBall v Australia because there are far too many variables involved with Test cricket to attempt to directly compare it to a different sport.
 
But Bazball can only be blamed for the failure if you think that playing a more 'traditional' method would have more success.

It could be countered that playing a more traditional manner would possibly have us getting beater more comfortably, and the only reason Thai series is so, so close is due to the aggressive tactics were deploying.

Of course, it's speculation, but I generally feel the last point. If we'd come into th series playing more 'nornal! test cricket I think we had meekly rolled over. But it's all just opinions I guess.
Hardly anyone thinks Bazball is a failure, the main principle of it has been a resounding success.
However coming up against a set of top players is requiring some fine tuning.
Regardless the Aussies have been completely rattled by it and with some little changes/better basics we could have been 3-0 up already.
 
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