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chopsfc007 said:
Aye but we have to bowl them out twice anyway and I think the approach will be to take risks, score quickly and lose wickets if need be and chase them down in the last innings. Not try and build more slowly to a massive first innings total. Just my opinion like
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rentaghost said:
Which makes his point even more valid I would have thought? If England are to win this in 3 and a bit days it’s probably two similar scored first innings by before the end of tomorrow and then hope we can bowl them out.
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We ain't going to do that though. Who says we can't score 500 batting the way we have?

I'm saying we've got to try and do that to win, I don't see us winning if we make this a 4 innings game, where it's anything more than 100 chase. As it's debatable we will have the time to achieve more than that.
 
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mackembhoy said:
We ain't going to do that though. Who says we can't score 500 batting the way we have?

I'm saying we've got to try and do that to win, I don't see us winning if we make this a 4 innings game, where it's anything more than 100 chase. As it's debatable we will have the time to achieve more than that.
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We literally did in the last game, it is what it is with the weather I think we would declare on even score potentially
 
chopsfc007 said:
We literally did in the last game, it is what it is with the weather I think we would declare on even score potentially
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I'm aware of what we did in the last game.

We got perfect bowling conditions after a long rain delay to help us knock the Aussies over and chase less than 300 which if not for change in conditions they'd have no doubt got more than.

Conditions we will no doubt be batting in if we have to bat again in this game. With a lot less time to do it too with the forecasts.

I don't think what I'm saying is at all unreasonable.
 
nandos sonic sauce said:
Cant play him in the last test if we still need the win surely. Fantastic bowler, but he's not the same as a few years back
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We needed to win the series from day1.

So why has he played at all.

Ben's mate???

He has to go Stokes. and heads roll after this debacle of a series.
 
Iamme said:
We needed to win the series from day1.

So why has he played at all.

Ben's mate???

He has to go Stokes. and heads roll after this debacle of a series.
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Debacle of a series 🤣

Been one of the best series in recent memory - almost every days play in every match packed full of incident. And no idea still how it’s going to turn out.

Bring on more debacles like this please!
 
So whose day was that ? Extremely tight I think I reckon it's 50/50 and the first 45-60mins tomorrow will determine the outcome.we need to be batting by 12 to stand a chance.
 
I've got a stotting headache and we just south a scotch corner but it's been a great 1st visit to old Trafford and a bucket list ticked off seeing an ashes test full day, wish I could win the lottery 😂, think I prefer headingley though, gunna be a big 1st session tomorrow hopefully finish the job with the ball
 
cfg said:
Look where we were just over a year ago. We are going toe to toe with the World Champions. Debacle my arse. Excellent entertainment in a close fought series.
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Alternatively a lot of the good work done over the last year has been unpicked. I believe the decision to bring back Ali was purely down to Stokes and follows the same pattern with Silverwood ie, one guy picking the side which has manifested itself in Bairstow and now Jimmy. Some may argue Stokes has earned the right to pick who he wants others may argue we should have learned our lesson from Silverwood. In any level of sport, a captain more often than not will lean towards picking his mates every time. In top level sport that should not be happening but it has and it may prove costly

Lets stop with the boll*cks, Australia have been there for the taking from ball one of the Ashes. Warner is way past his best, Labuschange cant buy a meaningful run and has a poor test record out of Australia, Australia lost their only spinner of any note in the second test, Boland who is tailor made for England has looked poor. They have two class acts in Cummins and Smith who would be in an around any all time Australian side but the rest are no great shakes when compared to Australian sides of the past.

England have been on a roll for the last year, brimming with confidence but are just about still in the test series. Questions should be asked and will be asked specifically about team selection if we do not win this test. We are arguing the likes of Jimmy, Root, Stokes, Broad etc are all time greats yet look like losing at home to a fairly average Aussie side so something is amiss
 
essex boy said:
Alternatively a lot of the good work done over the last year has been unpicked. I believe the decision to bring back Ali was purely down to Stokes and follows the same pattern with Silverwood ie, one guy picking the side which has manifested itself in Bairstow and now Jimmy. Some may argue Stokes has earned the right to pick who he wants others may argue we should have learned our lesson from Silverwood. In any level of sport, a captain more often than not will lean towards picking his mates every time. In top level sport that should not be happening but it has and it may prove costly

Lets stop with the boll*cks, Australia have been there for the taking from ball one of the Ashes. Warner is way past his best, Labuschange cant buy a meaningful run and has a poor test record out of Australia, Australia lost their only spinner of any note in the second test, Boland who is tailor made for England has looked poor. They have two class acts in Cummins and Smith who would be in an around any all time Australian side but the rest are no great shakes when compared to Australian sides of the past.

England have been on a roll for the last year, brimming with confidence but are just about still in the test series. Questions should be asked and will be asked specifically about team selection if we do not win this test. We are arguing the likes of Jimmy, Root, Stokes, Broad etc are all time greats yet look like losing at home to a fairly average Aussie side so something is amiss
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Disagree strongly with all of this.

In my view both the Aussie batting line up and bowling group are superior to ours, man for man, they weren’t there for the taking at all - they’ve just won the World Test Championship.

The only reason we are still in this series and have made it so wonderfully competitive is the aggressive approach taken by Stokes and the management team which has unsettled the Aussies and given us a fighting chance.
 
mackembhoy said:
We ain't going to do that though. Who says we can't score 500 batting the way we have?

I'm saying we've got to try and do that to win, I don't see us winning if we make this a 4 innings game, where it's anything more than 100 chase. As it's debatable we will have the time to achieve more than that.
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I just don’t see it that way. Of course scoring 500 in relatively quick time would be perfect but how realistic is that against a high quality attack on a pitch doing a bit? By trying to be more conservative they are just as more likely to get a sub 300 score but do it more slowly.

I expect us to play a high risk, fast scoring way and see it as the best way of moving the game forward. It will get boatloads if criticism I’m sure but I think it’s the most realistic way of winning in a 3.5 day test match. Even then it probably won’t be enough
 
essex boy said:
Alternatively a lot of the good work done over the last year has been unpicked. I believe the decision to bring back Ali was purely down to Stokes and follows the same pattern with Silverwood ie, one guy picking the side which has manifested itself in Bairstow and now Jimmy. Some may argue Stokes has earned the right to pick who he wants others may argue we should have learned our lesson from Silverwood. In any level of sport, a captain more often than not will lean towards picking his mates every time. In top level sport that should not be happening but it has and it may prove costly

Lets stop with the boll*cks, Australia have been there for the taking from ball one of the Ashes. Warner is way past his best, Labuschange cant buy a meaningful run and has a poor test record out of Australia, Australia lost their only spinner of any note in the second test, Boland who is tailor made for England has looked poor. They have two class acts in Cummins and Smith who would be in an around any all time Australian side but the rest are no great shakes when compared to Australian sides of the past.

England have been on a roll for the last year, brimming with confidence but are just about still in the test series. Questions should be asked and will be asked specifically about team selection if we do not win this test. We are arguing the likes of Jimmy, Root, Stokes, Broad etc are all time greats yet look like losing at home to a fairly average Aussie side so something is amiss
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Kinell. That's some amount of cobblers. They are world test champions. Have you seen Starc bowl or Marsh bat.? If you played this on your console we'd be getting beaten more often than not.
 
rentaghost said:
I just don’t see it that way. Of course scoring 500 in relatively quick time would be perfect but how realistic is that against a high quality attack on a pitch doing a bit? By trying to be more conservative they are just as more likely to get a sub 300 score but do it more slowly.

I expect us to play a high risk, fast scoring way and see it as the best way of moving the game forward. It will get boatloads if criticism I’m sure but I think it’s the most realistic way of winning in a 3.5 day test match. Even then it probably won’t be enough
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I'm only talking about scoring 500 cos they've got 300. I don't expect or think we will. We need it it to win IMO.

Cos we had bowled first we really needed to knock em off for under 200 to give us best chance of winning.

I'd have batted first assumed we'd gone off the pitch and conditions. Not being there I didn't realise how nice for batting it was today.

But hearing butcher talk doesn't sound like we chose to bowl based on conditions. Which I think is a mistake.

Anyway let's just knock these off quickly tomorrow and hopefully conditions are something resembling today for batting and see what we can get.

Whether it will be enough we shall come the weekend when it pisses down for 2 days. I lived in the north west for 3 years rain there is another scale.
 
Waverley said:
Kinell. That's some amount of cobblers. They are world test champions. Have you seen Starc bowl or Marsh bat.? If you played this on your console we'd be getting beaten more often than not.
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Starc is more than decent but an all time Aussie great he is not. Are we playing in an era of high quality test cricket compared to era gone past? I would argue not based on the riches on offer in the short form which were not available in say the 2005 or 2009 Ashes
 
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