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4th test Manchester

Voice of fair play said:
Like I said I think it’s pretty sad if there is people on the cricket board are on wind ups.

Personally I prefer just to have a sensible grown up debate.

So when people do say ott comments normally pick them up as prefer to look at bigger pictures and perspectives than overreactions to a couple of games

As for your other point mate, it’s a difficult one, like I say it’s very natural to do everything you can to play in the ashes, and if and it’s a if we don’t know he has when not a 100% sure whether he was fully fit or not still declared himself fit because he is passionate playing for his country that’s understandable imo.

Tbf it’s difficult to prove your or my point as we don’t know the full extent of his injury or the questions he has been asked and we probably never will, so it’s difficult for you or I to be proved right or not on this one?
And as the other poster picked you up on, it’s more than fair to say England have their own fitness experts and relevant tests so be unfair imo to put all the blame on him
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Yeh ,fair comment. It must be very difficult to totally separate your heart from your head and make a totally objective judgement on your fitness to play.The bottom line is,of course, that the ultimate decision to play lies with the selection panel.There again,can they be totally objective when they exist for so long in a bubble as team mates.Vaughan made the valid point,as he can when when he's wearing his sensible hat, is that powers of concentration required for 5 days are bound to wane after such a long absence and I wouldn't envisage that there's any test that can measure that.
Thanks anyway for a sensible and civilized discussion.
 

Voice of fair play said:
Nothing like that, Maguire does not get in his club side, where as Bairstow if played for Yorkshire would clearly be one of their best players.

Just 3 games into the summer as well.

There is no doubt he has kept very poorly and that could be possibly down to fitness.

But extremely short memories, last test series he played he was arguably the best player and scored a really good 78 of 78 balls first game in.

Yet just two and half games into this summer he is getting slaughtered.

I said at the start of the series Foakes should keep and Bairstow should bat 5 and still think that.

But the criticism he is getting is way out of perspective imo.

It’s probably because agreeably his keeping has been horrendous tbh
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Yeah the criticism should lie solely with the people putting him there. I haven't forgotten what he did last summer and I'd still have him in the middle order, just not keeping
 
Parkside said:
Yeh ,fair comment. It must be very difficult to totally separate your heart from your head and make a totally objective judgement on your fitness to play.The bottom line is,of course, that the ultimate decision to play lies with the selection panel.There again,can they be totally objective when they exist for so long in a bubble as team mates.Vaughan made the valid point,as he can when when he's wearing his sensible hat, is that powers of concentration required for 5 days are bound to wane after such a long absence and I wouldn't envisage that there's any test that can measure that.
Thanks anyway for a sensible and civilized discussion.
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Your very welcome and agree with the above
JackL said:
Yeah the criticism should lie solely with the people putting him there. I haven't forgotten what he did last summer and I'd still have him in the middle order, just not keeping
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Yeah my feelings exactly
 
Everytime i see them on tv they're playing footy and keep ups and everytime a player messes up the whole team flicks there forehead, that's setting a bad culture that for kids
 
scotch said:
Dobell was hinting at Green being left out again tomorrow
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Another David Warner wicket for Broady then...

To be fair, if Green does come in, where does he bat? Straight swap for Warner? Head or Labuschagne opening and Green slotting in lower down? Would they play both him and Mitch Marsh in the same team?
 
The Breen Machine said:
Can't complain too much given we won the last test but the extra pace of Tongue would have probably suited Old Trafford and Moeen at 3 just doesn't seem anything better than a pinch hitting experiment.
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Ali at 3 gives us more batting in the tail, which could be crucial, we have 5 bowlers in the team and woakes bowled bloody well last test ! As for Anderson, if he is going to have a comeback, his home ground will be the place !

Forecast not too bad for tomorrow, maybe a light shower after lunch .
 
forzamilansafc said:
I've spent £659 on this series with tickets alone. Will probably be about 1k when I include trains and spending money
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The prices are nuts. Last Ashes test I attended was at the Oval in 2019. £110 for an obstructed view seat. My Durham membership for the season was only about £140.

I’ve spent about the same as you for OT.

They still sell out though!
 
Parkside said:
I was watching the Aussies score 339-5.
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On an overcast, damp green top
essex boy said:
On an overcast, damp green top
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A side aspiring to be no.1 in the world should not be recalling a bowler with 2 wickets at 70 in two tests (one of which was in conditions ideally made for Anderson). Nor the fact when we already have an 80mph bowler in Woakes doing the same role nor when Anderson is clearly way past his best. He has taken no 5 wicket hauls this year and his best bowling in the Ashes to date is 1-53 despite getting the new ball. If his name was not Anderson he would not be getting picked
 
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