James Anderson Watch in Australia

[essex boy]

We are 3 tests into 5. If Jimmy performs broadly the same in the last two tests but we lose them because our batsmen bat as they did in the second innings in perth then i'll say he had a good series. If he bowls crap in the next two matches i'll say so - i've no problem in telling the truth.

so the leader of our attack has lead us to defeat in the Ashes but its the batsman fault, even though if say we dont win another test, we will have taken 20 wickets once.

It just goes to show, there is an English disease of accpepting someone if they try hard but actually lack star quality to take us into the higher echelons of the world game.

To be the best in the world, you need to beat the best, we were outplayed in SA and if we lose the Ashes, will have been outplayed here

If we dont win another test in Aus, thats 9 tests in SA & Aus (two of the better sides in test cricket) where we have taken twenty wickets twice.

To be the best side in the world, thats not good enough

it seems a contradiction though, that anderson is ranked at the highest, he has been in his career.

his spell at brisbane, where somehow hussey and haddin survived, was one of the best spells of bowling, you could see.

his fielding is pretty sharp as well and up to 12 months or so back, he held the record for most innings, without a duck.

he is no hadlee or mcgrath but he is a quality bowler and he will be in the side, when fit, for a long time yet

batting and fielding have improved although his batting here has been shite

his test ranking before playing against the clubbies and fraudsters this summer was 13th in the world

Having taken loads of wickets on green tops in tests that barely lasted 3.5 days over here against two sides, none of which had a single batsman in the top 20 batsman in world cricket, he rose to a high career of third. He is now down to fifth...

 

[rentaghost]

so the leader of our attack has lead us to defeat in the Ashes but its the batsman fault, even though if say we dont win another test, we will have taken 20 wickets once.

It just goes to show, there is an English disease of accpepting someone if they try hard but actually lack star quality to take us into the higher echelons of the world game.

To be the best in the world, you need to beat the best, we were outplayed in SA and if we lose the Ashes, will have been outplayed here

If we dont win another test in Aus, thats 9 tests in SA & Aus (two of the better sides in test cricket) where we have taken twenty wickets twice.

To be the best side in the world, thats not good enough

We have already taken 20 wickets twice you numpty and we may well again and lose a test if the batsmen dont do their bit - it happens

Would you blame Shane Warne or McGrath for the 2005 Ashes defeat? Do you blame Courtney Walsh or Ambrose for WI defeats in England when their batsmen have failed miserably. If we lose the Ashes because the batsmen have done the business in the last 2 tests and Jimmy has bowled badly then i'll say so. If Jimmy has boiwled canny and our batsmen have failed i'll say so. Whats so difficult to grasp about that?

 

[stephen cartwright]

so the leader of our attack has lead us to defeat in the Ashes but its the batsman fault, even though if say we dont win another test, we will have taken 20 wickets once.

It just goes to show, there is an English disease of accpepting someone if they try hard but actually lack star quality to take us into the higher echelons of the world game.

To be the best in the world, you need to beat the best, we were outplayed in SA and if we lose the Ashes, will have been outplayed here

If we dont win another test in Aus, thats 9 tests in SA & Aus (two of the better sides in test cricket) where we have taken twenty wickets twice.

To be the best side in the world, thats not good enough

i disagree about the s africa series. it was a 1-1 draw, with them only equalising in the last test.

we are the current holders of the ashes, so from the last two series, thats 8 tests which we have won 3 to the aussies 2.

we beat pakistan 3-1 whereas the aussies drew 1-1.

we have two of the top 3 bowlers in the world

the above are facts and we shall see what comes in melbourne

We have already taken 20 wickets twice you numpty and we may well again and lose a test if the batsmen dont do their bit - it happens

Would you blame Shane Warne or McGrath for the 2005 Ashes defeat? Do you blame Courtney Walsh or Ambrose for WI defeats in England when their batsmen have failed miserably. If we lose the Ashes because the batsmen have done the business in the last 2 tests and Jimmy has bowled badly then i'll say so. If Jimmy has boiwled canny and our batsmen have failed i'll say so. Whats so difficult to grasp about that?

exactly

though its being made out a terrible defeat, the aussies did only score just over 500 in two innings and that would normally not win a test match.

their batsmen are under pressure and surely hussey and haddin, cant keep scoring 100s to get them out of trouble.

it was the english batting performance that lost the last test

so the leader of our attack has lead us to defeat in the Ashes but its the batsman fault, even though if say we dont win another test, we will have taken 20 wickets once.

It just goes to show, there is an English disease of accpepting someone if they try hard but actually lack star quality to take us into the higher echelons of the world game.

To be the best in the world, you need to beat the best, we were outplayed in SA and if we lose the Ashes, will have been outplayed here

If we dont win another test in Aus, thats 9 tests in SA & Aus (two of the better sides in test cricket) where we have taken twenty wickets twice.

To be the best side in the world, thats not good enough



batting and fielding have improved although his batting here has been shite

his test ranking before playing against the clubbies and fraudsters this summer was 13th in the world

Having taken loads of wickets on green tops in tests that barely lasted 3.5 days over here against two sides, none of which had a single batsman in the top 20 batsman in world cricket, he rose to a high career of third. He is now down to fifth...

who else should play?

 

[essex boy]

We have already taken 20 wickets twice you numpty and we may well again and lose a test if the batsmen dont do their bit - it happens

Would you blame Shane Warne or McGrath for the 2005 Ashes defeat? Do you blame Courtney Walsh or Ambrose for WI defeats in England when their batsmen have failed miserably. If we lose the Ashes because the batsmen have done the business in the last 2 tests and Jimmy has bowled badly then i'll say so. If Jimmy has boiwled canny and our batsmen have failed i'll say so. Whats so difficult to grasp about that?

yep fair point. just a shame at Perth we leaked so many runs with the ball

Bowlers win games in test cricket you should know that. Your trying to pass the buck onto the batsman.

SC we dont have two of the worlds best 3 bowlers im afraid

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[rentaghost]

yep fair point. just a shame at Perth we leaked so many runs with the ball

Bowlers win games in test cricket you should know that. Your trying to pass the buck onto the batsman.

SC we dont have two of the worlds best 3 bowlers im afraid

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So your point about taking 20 wickets once is a bit rubbish isnt it? Its quite plausible we could take 20 wickets 4 times in the series and lose the Ashes if our batsmen arent capable of knocking of 570 with 20 wickets in hand.
Certainly getting 20 wickets in 2 out of 3 test matches is decent enough going taking into account the pitches at Brisbane and Adelaide.

 

[stephen cartwright]

yep fair point. just a shame at Perth we leaked so many runs with the ball

Bowlers win games in test cricket you should know that. Your trying to pass the buck onto the batsman.

SC we dont have two of the worlds best 3 bowlers im afraid

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we did have at the start of the previous test, so technically you are right now

however they are still both highly rated, 2 in the top 5. has that ever happened since the ratings were conceived?

 

[Steak Pie]

nah, Il respond to those who Ive engaged in debate with over a long period of time, not some upstart ive never heard of who wants to join in.

Ooooooooh, get you indeed!

Can I ask, am I in the elite band of old timers who are allowed to laugh at some of the crap you're posting?

I MUST KNOW.

 

[stephen cartwright]

Ooooooooh, get you indeed!

Can I ask, am I in the elite band of old timers who are allowed to laugh at some of the crap you're posting?

I MUST KNOW.

you are but not allowed

 

[essex boy]

Ooooooooh, get you indeed!

Can I ask, am I in the elite band of old timers who are allowed to laugh at some of the crap you're posting?

I MUST KNOW.

dont mind engaging in debate with regular cricket posters such as yourself but I draw the line at responding to tedious twats who I dont recall ever speaking to on the cricket forum

in addition a regular poster on the cricket board wouldnt call another poster a C.U.N.T., behaviour more associated with the PF

400 posts later and the Anderson thread is ticking along nicely

 

[stephen cartwright]

dont mind engaging in debate with regular cricket posters such as yourself but I draw the line at responding to tedious twats who I dont recall ever speaking to on the cricket forum

in addition a regular poster on the cricket board wouldnt call another poster a C.U.N.T., behaviour more associated with the PF

400 posts later and the Anderson thread is ticking along nicely

its nowt on Saj watch though

 

[essex boy]

its nowt on Saj watch though

we havent had Chunkylover bumping this every day though to be fair

 

[The Breen Machine]

so the leader of our attack has lead us to defeat in the Ashes but its the batsman fault, even though if say we dont win another test, we will have taken 20 wickets once.

You do realise that a bowling attack consists of more than just 1 person? Shane Warne took 40 wickets in 2005 but ended up on the losing side. If Jimmy continues in his current good form, losing the Ashes will have as little to do with him as anybody.

 

[GarethQ]

dont mind engaging in debate with regular cricket posters such as yourself but I draw the line at responding to tedious twats who I dont recall ever speaking to on the cricket forum

in addition a regular poster on the cricket board wouldnt call another poster a C.U.N.T., behaviour more associated with the PF

400 posts later and the Anderson thread is ticking along nicely

You are one though, and I don't use that word lightly.

I post on here on average as much as I post on any other board.

Clearly you post on here every day, yet you still appear to know little about the game judging by what you say.

I actually only called you that after you refused to engage in debate with me because you're arrogant and can't answer the simple questions that I posed.

If you want a reasonable, good natured and intelligent debate I am all for that. If you read back through the conversation, I think you'll find that you were acting like the aforementioned word well before I called you one. Also, you were the one who was unwilling to debate, not me.

 

[Steak Pie]

dont mind engaging in debate with regular cricket posters such as yourself but I draw the line at responding to tedious twats who I dont recall ever speaking to on the cricket forum

in addition a regular poster on the cricket board wouldnt call another poster a C.U.N.T., behaviour more associated with the PF

400 posts later and the Anderson thread is ticking along nicely

Ticking along very nicely, we got Saj a T20 contract and maybe we can get Jimmy to number 1 in the world. And I do agree about the language, it's not how we do things on here, despite the bait....

 

[essex boy]

Ticking along very nicely, we got Saj a T20 contract and maybe we can get Jimmy to number 1 in the world. And I do agree about the language, it's not how we do things on here, despite the bait....

malicious allegation to suggest people use bait on the cricket forum

You do realise that a bowling attack consists of more than just 1 person? Shane Warne took 40 wickets in 2005 but ended up on the losing side. If Jimmy continues in his current good form, losing the Ashes will have as little to do with him as anybody.

I dont think test novices should be compared to experienced test campaigners.

your expecting your experienced players to set the example to the younger more inexperienced players. If this is as good as what the leader of our attack can offer, we will never be number one in the world. period

 

[rentaghost]

malicious allegation to suggest people use bait on the cricket forum



I dont think test novices should be compared to experienced test campaigners.

your expecting your experienced players to set the example to the younger more inexperienced players. If this is as good as what the leader of our attack can offer, we will never be number one in the world. period

When Jimmy has a rare bad game its 'hes f***ing shite - get rid' when hes doing well its 'we'll never be number 1'. There may be some truth in that it depends on the team around you and is just as relevant a point for just about every other player. If Anderson and Swann replaced Tsotsobe and Harris in the current SA team it would improve them further and certainly be a number 1 team in the world.

 

[essex boy]

When Jimmy has a rare bad game its 'hes f***ing shite - get rid' when hes doing well its 'we'll never be number 1'. There may be some truth in that it depends on the team around you and is just as relevant a point for just about every other player. If Anderson and Swann replaced Tsotsobe and Harris in the current SA team it would improve them further and certainly be a number 1 team in the world.

thats because Steyn and Morkel are the two best quicks around and they have the 6 best batsman in world cricket as a 6 along with India

You could play for SA and they would still be the best team knocking around with India

 

[stephen cartwright]

thats because Steyn and Morkel are the two best quicks around and they have the 6 best batsman in world cricket as a 6 along with India

You could play for SA and they would still be the best team knocking around with India

lost at home to this current aussie team, the last time they played them

england beat the aussies at home, a few months later

 

[rentaghost]

thats because Steyn and Morkel are the two best quicks around and they have the 6 best batsman in world cricket as a 6 along with India

You could play for SA and they would still be the best team knocking around with India

Which is exactly the point. Its probably factual that England will never be number 1 wth Jimmy in the team but its a reflection on the team not Jimmy. The West Indies would never get to number 1 as long as they have Lara and Chanderpaul in their team either.

Certainly Jimmys excellent performances in India in 2006 helped move England from 4th to 2nd in the world ranking above India and SA at the time.

 

[essex boy]

Which is exactly the point. Its probably factual that England will never be number 1 wth Jimmy in the team but its a reflection on the team not Jimmy. The West Indies would never get to number 1 as long as they have Lara and Chanderpaul in their team either.

Certainly Jimmys excellent performances in India in 2006 helped move England from 4th to 2nd in the world ranking above India and SA at the time.

I stand corrected but after the Ashes in 2005 we slipped from 2nd to about 7th and have got back up to 4th, lose this were down to 5th

We have never been ranked two since Jimmy has been a regular I dont believe