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East Stand or South Stand Expansion

oddbod said:
No more than 61,500 and probably a tad fewer due to more corporate stuff! They dropped 2000 seats from the original south stand plans so my estimate would be 60,000 and change.What a magnificent sight a completed bowl would be but im still not convinced kld will spend that coin anytime soon unless (like a house extension) it will increase the value of the sol above the cost of the build expense.
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tbf a 60k seat stadium costs upwards of £500m+ band new.
 

Julio Mackemo said:
tbf a 60k seat stadium costs upwards of £500m+ band new.
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On last years prices probably ..the longer they delay the more the price goes up!The dick hill stadium price was probably agreed 3-4 years ago (non gov contracts usually have price caps attached to control costs ,the company with the best guarantees usually gets the tender)and wasnt it 600 million or so?
 
Frijj said:
I don’t want an expansion yet. We’ve seen that in the Championship we’ll only get around 38-43k, and we could very easily find ourselves back there before any expansion work is completed - even if we started today.

I’d rather the club get settled in the PL first, maybe even qualify for Europe again, consistently sell out, before we expand.

We could fill that expansion but we could also be left with 20,000 empty seats every week.
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You can run the risk of being relegated anytime. We could wait 10 years with sellouts and decide it’s the right time, then bang relegation. Sit on our arses waiting for a perceived “right time” is total folly. Also every year the cost becomes larger and larger, and even if everything was put in motion ie plans, costing etc, it would be 2 years before commencement.
 
rey mysterio said:
We should be extending the East Stand. More seats, and far greater hospitality potential. Plus it would allow loads more in for concerts potentially.

The downstairs should be built anyway with minimum disruption to fans, with the foundations in place for an upper tier.
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100% this.

The increase in corporate seems a priority for those in charge to maximise match day revenue and probably to increase accessibility to sponsors and eventually any 'tourist' fans we begin to attract.

But they have to temper that with maintaining our league position, possibly having a cup run/win and also qualifying for Europe so it's not just a fluke.

We all know, and the owners must surely realise, that dropping out of the PL will see the fairweather fans stop coming again. So I can't see an extension happening until at least May 2028 at the very earliest.
 
Paul3845 said:
I think,

NE corner + E stand = 7k
SE corner + S stand + SW corner = 8k

Or 15k overall, leading to 63k capacity
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SE corner + S stand wouldn't be possible without E stand expansion.

Likewise you couldn't do E stand + SE corner without a S stand expansion.

SE corner would be the last part, otherwise seats there would have what could generously be described as a partial view of the pitch.
 
The sooner the better, use the PL momey to improve the club, the team will have natural highs and lows but we need to try and keep up with other clubs. We weren't selling out Roker Park when Bob Murray decided to build a stadium with twice the capacity and 3 times the potential capacity. Thank god it was him and not some on here on that particular job, otherwise we'd be a smaller club than we are.
 
Said it in the other thread but i think we are far more likely to see the concourses upgraded and expanded, with more corporate/boxes etc added rather whole new tiers of seating. They will want to get as much £ per matchday fan as possible with the current number attending rather than introducing risk of adding thousands of more seats that could easily prove redundant if we go back to being crap and relegated. The upgraded concourses would still have value no matter what league we are in or how the team is doing.
 
Allende AK said:
Said it in the other thread but i think we are far more likely to see the concourses upgraded and expanded, with more corporate/boxes etc added rather whole new tiers of seating. They will want to get as much £ per matchday fan as possible with the current number attending rather than introducing risk of adding thousands of more seats that could easily prove redundant if we go back to being crap and relegated. The upgraded concourses would still have value no matter what league we are in or how the team is doing.
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Sorry mate thats non starter ! For every pound spent they will want the maximum return and to ignore the revenue from extra seats is idiotic especially as they would only be a small cost of the overall build.

I suppose you could say extend out the wall of the south stand and build up to provide extra corporate without adding seating but it would look really hotch potch, cost loads and you do realise corporate sale drop just like gate recites in lean times as well .

The risk you describe from extra seats is utter nonsense ,they (kld) doesen't care about any extra seats not having bums on them (thats a disturbingly safc fan issue i dont understand) all they care about is can they service the loan and how can we fill the ground!Once built extra seating cost nowt other than servicing the loan (a small % of the build you describe)an stewarding there is reallly no risk as you describe!Whilst all clubs want a full ground it appears some safc have a deep seated fear of empty seats that no other club fans share and i find it bizarre behaviour!
 
I think the dilemma for the club is that extending the South stand will probably take us to the right size for us at present but has limited potential for extra premium areas which is what they really want from an extension.

East stand extension gives best opportunity for getting more premium areas but would be far more expensive to build.
 
Frijj said:
I don’t want an expansion yet. We’ve seen that in the Championship we’ll only get around 38-43k, and we could very easily find ourselves back there before any expansion work is completed - even if we started today.

I’d rather the club get settled in the PL first, maybe even qualify for Europe again, consistently sell out, before we expand.

We could fill that expansion but we could also be left with 20,000 empty seats every week.
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I know what you mean, but the current owners may feel that an extension will help facilitate us to 'get settled in the PL' and 'qualifying for Europe again'.

People have to remember we don't have Ellis in charge and Margaret Byrne making the big decisions anymore!
 
oddbod said:
Sorry mate thats non starter ! For every pound spent they will want the maximum return and to ignore the revenue from extra seats is idiotic especially as they would only be a small cost of the overall build.

I suppose you could say extend out the wall of the south stand and build up to provide extra corporate without adding seating but it would look really hotch potch, cost loads and you do realise corporate sale drop just like gate recites in lean times as well .

The risk you describe from extra seats is utter nonsense ,they (kld) doesen't care about any extra seats not having bums on them (thats a disturbingly safc fan issue i dont understand) all they care about is can they service the loan and how can we fill the ground!Once built extra seating cost nowt other than servicing the loan (a small % of the build you describe)an stewarding there is reallly no risk as you describe!Whilst all clubs want a full ground it appears some safc have a deep seated fear of empty seats that no other club fans share and i find it bizarre behaviour!
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Adding extra seats and tiers doesn't come for free though and the owners will want to make sure they get their money paid back from extra tickets sales. The upgraded concourses etc are a safer bet right now than adding new tiers etc imo. I think a sensible thing for them to do would do enabling works to make it easier to add extra seats/tiers in the future when the demand has sustained itself for a good 5 years or so.
 
Frijj said:
I don’t want an expansion yet. We’ve seen that in the Championship we’ll only get around 38-43k, and we could very easily find ourselves back there before any expansion work is completed - even if we started today.

I’d rather the club get settled in the PL first, maybe even qualify for Europe again, consistently sell out, before we expand.

We could fill that expansion but we could also be left with 20,000 empty seats every week.
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Fu*k the Championship we're looking upwards not backwards.
Teams don’t want to think of the Championship as they’re positive it’ll not happen. Look at Spurs. Did you ever think they thought they’d ever flirt with relegation, shit happens the knars
 
Allende AK said:
Adding extra seats and tiers doesn't come for free though and the owners will want to make sure they get their money paid back from extra tickets sales. The upgraded concourses etc are a safer bet right now than adding new tiers etc imo. I think a sensible thing for them to do would do enabling works to make it easier to add extra seats/tiers in the future when the demand has sustained itself for a good 5 years or so.
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Nope mate your reading this wrong you cannot improve corporate well enough without extending out to make room ..it will cost huge amounts to do the groundwork for and decent corporate additions and they will be idiotic not to hoy in some seats as part of the build ..what you describe will never happen but its your opinion and your welcome to..... it Oh and "I think a sensible thing for them to do would do enabling works to make it easier to add extra seats/tiers in the future" is what Bob Murrey thought in 1997 and luckily he did then the sol was designed for easy expansion and will only need some tinkering to add more corporate room to the design.Personally i think the 250 million was of the top of burwells head (hes a bulshitter)and could be done for much less than that!
 
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