Southampton spying compendium thread

[andy78]

The reality is that the entire coaching staff and players have to be in on it for the cheating/spying programme to be effective.

Insights on the opposition's starting set up shared with the coaching staff, who then pass it on to the players. Player would have to be thick not to know where those instructions are coming from, especially if the change started in early November with the new gaffer.

The analysts travelling to the opposition training grounds have to be reimbursed for their costs as well, apparently even for the disguises they were buying.

 

[Boot Cleaner]

He is a really unlikeable bloke the more you hear about him

He's the one who married Roy Keanes daughter innit?

 

[E M P I R E]

The reality is that the entire coaching staff and players have to be in on it for the cheating/spying programme to be effective.

Insights on the opposition's starting set up shared with the coaching staff, who then pass it on to the players. Player would have to be thick not to know where those instructions are coming from, especially if the change started in early November with the new gaffer.

There was an interview doing the rounds of a Soton player saying how incredibly detailed the manager in pre-game training "he somehow knows exactly how the other team is going to line up and play"

 

[Mackemansj1]

Filthy horrible club

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He’s come across a right tit ain’t he. Can’t imagine his father in law likes this sort of shit.

 

[PitYacker]

Aye but come on, are you really gonna get that info spying on a training session from behind a tree?

I think you would possibly get a lot of that yes. I’m pretty sure teams practice in the formation they are gonna use and set up the “opponents” team to play how they may expect them to play. Surely that’s part of what managers do.

 

[MackemMagic]

He's the one who married Roy Keanes daughter innit?

Yup

 

[38Red]

Whats frustrating is the amount of ex pros saying its unfair and that a hefty fine would suffice

This is one of many reasons I don't go to ex-pro footballers for legal advice.

 

[chriswallace85]

Potential players being out injured that they would then not plan for, changes in formation if they decided to mix things up from previous games that season, penalty practice in case it went that far etc. There's a few things that could be a benefit, but not for what the potential issues it raised

Pens I get. Shape??? Hmm, I dinnar. What the chance's of Boro drastically changing shape for the game? Ya just look at the games and look at what they've done.

Injuries and selection you can usually work out without spying as well.

I just don't see spying unearthing any kind of drastic revelation to give you the edge. There's enough info available these days to prepare properly and above board.

 

[Boot Cleaner]

Yup

Penny for Roy's thoughts

 

[redalert69]

Should stick to kicking out Southampton, but replay the play off legs but between boro and Wrexham, then let that play out, imo I think that would be a cleaner situation.

 

[Pantomime Mackem]

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Look at this statement.

"We're guilty but it's unfair that we were basically fined £250m".

Genuinely mental that their argument is that we should be allowed to go up and then only be rewarded £249,800,000.

According to this statement they’re not taking issue with any procedural timelines @MonkeyLove

 

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[MonkeyLove]

AFAIK, SFC agreed the process, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

We don’t know if they agreed the process or not. We also don’t know if or if not what they agreed to included any abridged timeline for an appeal. The EFL don’t need them to agree to it anyway. However they would need to in future defend whatever exceptions they adopted still allowed Southampton to have a fair process. As I say I think for the appeal phase Southampton may well feel they have a case that it wasn’t fair.

 

[SAFC11]

Aye but come on, are you really gonna get that info spying on a training session from behind a tree?

If theyre running through practice scenarios then yes as they would be using their starting line up and formation to train them for the specific tactical changes ahead of the match.
Look at marescas idiot comments after we beat Chelsea, claiming he had no plans for us playing a back 5 so was scrabbling around before kick off when he saw the starting 11 and warm up. If he could have watched us train he would have planned differently (though it think he was just an idiot and we had adapted to a back 5 at times anyway)

 

[Mackemansj1]

Should stick to kicking out Southampton, but replay the play off legs but between boro and Wrexham, then let that play out, imo I think that would be a cleaner situation.

There’s no time for that though in reality.

 

[chriswallace85]

So why send him at all?

Tying to be clever.

There's a fine line between clever and stupid.


Obviously it goes on, or at least has done in the past. This could be the tip of the iceberg. Who knows. Perhaps all these ex-pros saying the punishment is a bit extreme know something we don't. We know about Bielsa, and apparently it was common place in South America and on the continent.

I just think the whole thing's crackers.

 

[molthemackem]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see them hit with more points to be honest mate

Does anyone believe they “only” spied on Oxford (lost & relegated) and Ipswich (drew & promoted). Didn’t win either and both teams now out of the championship and not impacted by the points.

I’m the FA won’t believe this either. It’s whether they’re able to find further evidence. I’d be surprised if this is over yet and probably not to Southampton gain

We all know now this wasn’t a one off against Boro. And from there it’s simply unbelievable that they randomly chose those two league games, and they didn’t spy on “any” of their wins.

This... for a frivolling waste of an appeal.

 

[SAFC11]

Pens I get. Shape??? Hmm, I dinnar. What the chance's of Boro drastically changing shape for the game? Ya just look at the games and look at what they've done.

Injuries and selection you can usually work out without spying as well.

I just don't see spying unearthing any kind of drastic revelation to give you the edge. There's enough info available these days to prepare properly and above board.

If it didnt they wouldnt do it ultimately

 

[123SunTan]

Pens I get. Shape??? Hmm, I dinnar. What the chance's of Boro drastically changing shape for the game? Ya just look at the games and look at what they've done.

Injuries and selection you can usually work out without spying as well.

I just don't see spying unearthing any kind of drastic revelation to give you the edge. There's enough info available these days to prepare properly and above board.

If they did this many times, the distance/angles etc. may have ranged from excellent to poor. Their players are on the record in interviews about how well their new manager does pre-match preparations with uncanny details about the opponents ...

 

[PitYacker]

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The problem is Leeds didn’t technically break the rules, as there weren’t any at the time. That’s why the rules came to exist.