• The first stage of the forum upgrades has now been completed but they remain in a degraded state and are still being worked on. Normal posting/reading should now be possible.
    Please read this thread for more details.
    New user registrations are currently disabled.

PGMOL apologise to Forest

Release the comms of all VAR interventions. No need to do it on a tele programme
Agree with this
Take your point, but VAR changed the history of our club last season, so has a bit of credit in the bank😀
Can't be proved. VAR's existence affects how refs and assistants manage the game and call decisions. VAR's use in the play off final meant there was little benefit for the assistant to flag the offside. You can see he dithers and doesn't run back to position, he knew something was up imo
 
Last edited:

For not ruling out Cunha’s goal after Mbuemo’s hand ball.

It’s just ridiculous isn’t it? How can the ref miss it in real time, have his mate say “you might want to look at this”, watch a replay, and still get it wrong?

If the people refereeing the game don’t know the rules, what are they doing there in the first place?
Abysmal and it’s not the first time. Literally making VAR pointless.
 
Abysmal and it’s not the first time. Literally making VAR pointless.
How does it make VAR pointless? It's to assist the ref. Which it did. People have said they want decisions to stay with the ref abd have moaned on for months that refs are pressured into changing their minds. Now we've got people moaning because the ref made the decision, choosing to stick to it after VAR pulled him.
 
Last edited:
For a start, get rid of those nonsense monitors at the side of the pitch. If the VAR sees something that the ref has missed, then the VAR overrules the on-field referee. None of this “you might want to have another look at this mate”.

The onfield referee and the VAR shouldn’t be trying to ref the game together, talking each other through decisions.

Actually use it for clear & obvious errors instead of going through everything in slow motion.

Enforce the rules they set out at the start of the season. Handball leading directly to a goal? Disallowed. Keeper holds the ball for more than 8 seconds? Corner to opposition. Grappling in the box, penalty/freekick against the first offending player. Don’t set directives at the start of the season, apply them for a few weeks, then just get bored of it.

Release the comms of all VAR interventions. No need to do it on a tele programme, just have a section on the PL website/app where they’re uploaded after every game.

The PL is the richest league in the world, pay for the best referees from around Europe to referee our games. Not some idiot from the “A-League” who wants to make himself the centre of attention in every game.
Consistency will be horrific if you have refs brought in from Spain, Italy, Denmark etc. They've grown up refereeing a different game with different thresholds on what's a foul, what's a card, What's a handball etc.
 
Such a basic decision to make too.

Everyone but that VAR team and Ref could see it was handball, the audio should be released for it.
This is what I find frustrating about this. Even the usually useless VAR told him. I haven’t found a single person who things it’s the right decision at all. I’m all for the referees ignoring VAR as it’s shit half the time but Jesus Christ to ignore this is unforgivable
Or something more sinister imho. Corruption.
This. It’s funny how these decisions always benefit the big team. Arsenal yesterday for instance. Celtic. Man City against Everton. Man United against us too. Every single time it’s in favour of the big boys - can’t think of any counter examples to this from this season at all.
 
Last edited:
This is what I find frustrating about this. Even the usually useless VAR told him. I haven’t found a single person who things it’s the right decision at all. I’m all for the referees ignoring VAR as it’s shit half the time but Jesus Christ to ignore this is unforgivable
He didn't ignore it. He went over to have another look, as per the protocol. He has determined its accidental, with his arm deemed to be in a natural position and the ball hitting his arm not directly, but after hitting another body part.
This. It’s funny how these decisions always benefit the big team. Arsenal yesterday for instance. Celtic. Man City against Everton. Man United against us too. Every single time it’s in favour of the big boys - can’t think of any counter examples to this from this season at all.
The goal City had chalked off for offside at the Mags. Took about ten mins after they drew the line against the wrong player. Ultimately correct according to the rules but it was a decision that disallowed a goal for one of the big boys.
 
Last edited:
He didn't ignore it. He went over to have another look, as per the protocol. He has determined its accidental, with his arm deemed to be in a natural position and the ball hitting his arm not directly, but after hitting another body part.

The goal City had chalked off for offside at the Mags. Took about ten mins after they drew the line against the wrong player. Ultimately correct according to the rules but it was a decision that disallowed a goal for one of the big boys.
I don’t really understand this post. On the man united point, every single person in the world has agreed it’s a wrong decision, are you the one @contrarian that disagrees? The arm is clearly not in a natural position, which is the qualifier for the deflection clause to become active.

On the mags point - the decision was correct so I don’t see how this is an incorrect/bent decision that went against the big team? He was offside, albeit stupidly so. The only one I could think of was Foden getting hoofed after shooting in that game, but again that seems to be the right decision as this hasn’t been given all season - see brobbey against man united for instance. Genuinely can’t think of a VAR howler in favour of a small team against a big team. Happy to be proven wrong.
 
so did millions of others.

it would have taken 10 seconds for the VAR to say to the ref 'that goal is ruled out because of handball, free kick to nottingham forest in their own box, get on with the game, thanks'

and it would have been over with, nobody would have battered an eyelid
VAR don't do that. They either advise the ref his decision is right or it may be wrong and to look at the monitor. In this case VAR did it's job, got the ref to look at the monitor, then for some reason he just went fuck it and gave the goal.
 
VAR don't do that. They either advise the ref his decision is right or it may be wrong and to look at the monitor. In this case VAR did it's job, got the ref to look at the monitor, then for some reason he just went fuck it and gave the goal.

Aye but what I'm saying is thats how it should work. You can't have VAR delaying the game for 3 minutes whilst they decide if it's classed as a clear and obvious error, then when it is, delay the game another few minutes whilst the ref looks at it in super slow motion a hundred times

It needs to be quick. It was obviously hand ball , the type of decision 99% of people can agree on instantly. Just make the call and get on with the game

If they can make VAR much much quicker , it would take the vast majority of criticism away.
 
Because like I said. You’re around other people all day training and working work them. Referees aren’t going to move abroad on their own. Are you going to pay referees the same as players and managers are paid to move abroad?

I thought we’d covered this last night. Referees train together.
 
Genuinely can’t think of a VAR howler in favour of a small team against a big team. Happy to be proven wrong.

Lewis-Skelly being sent off against Wolves was quite controversial. All he did was trip up the Wolves player to avoid a counter attack - I just watched it back and still have no idea how it was a sending off?

There'll 100% be more - I'm sure I recall Arsenal having a penalty denied against Newcastle, and a dodgy one against Chelsea (possibly against Villa?).
 
Lewis-Skelly being sent off against Wolves was quite controversial. All he did was trip up the Wolves player to avoid a counter attack - I just watched it back and still have no idea how it was a sending off?

There'll 100% be more - I'm sure I recall Arsenal having a penalty denied against Newcastle, and a dodgy one against Chelsea (possibly against Villa?).
The fact we had to go back two seasons to find one example kind of proves my point. To the contrary, there's been 4 big ones in favour of big teams in the last 7 days - Hearts, Celtic, Man United and Arsenal
 
IFAB have made the rules so complicated, the professionals who are there to implement the rules don’t know what they’re doing.

The rules need simplifying and they need to get some competent referees.
I was talking to the bairn about it when it happened. Trying to rationalise the decision to him by saying maybe it was the way it came off the defender, maybe it was the way Mbuemo was turning away, maybe it was the way Mbuemo seemed to try and "move off" the ball.

Then I realised it all comes from how much crap we've been fed about this rule and that rule. They just need to go back to if it touches your arm or hand it's handball. Easy. Yeah there'll be some soft penalties conceded. Some goals ruled out. But if it's handball that's the rules so tough shit.
 
Back
Top