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Nissan


contrarian said:
You seriously believe any political leader, especially a right wing leader cares about workers rights?
Nissan has received billions in guaranteed loans, good money after bad sadly. Apart from high end expensive cars, western and Japanese car makers are unable to compete with China
The most expensive component of car manufacturing is labour ( outside of china ).
Whether it’s Keir, Kemi or Nige the outlook isnt good
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Well as I have been saying for nearly 40 years now, including to all the doubters in 1987/88 when I started, who said this place is just a trojan horse it will be shut in 5 years, I predicted it would be going nowhere and in 2026 it appears I am still correct... 🤔
If Nissan had not made their biggest of a number of mistakes and sacked Carlos "the jackal" Ghosn and had given him the extra cars / houses / money he deserved as he was the only CEO that had half a clue what he was doing and actually had an idea how to do things they would probably be in a far better shape now, as those that replaced him including at NMUK had no real innovative ideas and the plant stagnated for years which is being paid for to some extent now...
But with Chery or whoever they get into bed with next, I predict the plant will still be here in another 25 years and still going strong...
I genuinely hope I am right again and while the doubters will continue to mock and of course no plant is un-shutable NMUK has too many good people and historical excellence which is future compatible to disappear any time soon imho...🤔
And while I am not totally against them building Chinese cars on our lines supporting local jobs like Bluebird did for us back in the day I am 100% against ANY cars coming direct from China with their subsidised cheap labour methods and think they should be banned altogether or at minimum high tariffs imposed on them unless built here, I would rather walk than ever have a Jaecoo or BYD but sadly others are buying them. As I have mentioned before I put my money where my mouth is and bought a new petrol Tekna+ Juke 4 month ago and would not change it for a BYD and a Jaecoo even if you paid me...
Agreed worrying times but certainly nothing new for NMUK, as seems to have been the case every other year since I started in the 80's, not to mention EVERY time the pay talks came around!! but Nissan well at least NMUK has always found a way to "JUST DE IT" as they tended to say a lot up there...😉👍
LONG LIVE NMUK - the best car plant in Britain...💪
EDGE said:
How is Nigel going to keep a multinational on its toes? They will up sticks and set up somewhere cheaper. Probably China.
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At least he seems to care about Britain, British people and British manufacturing jobs, which does not seem to be the case for Kier / Kemi or the Greens and other loony parties...🤔
 
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Marky Mark said:
Well as I have been saying for nearly 40 years now, including to all the doubters in 1987/88 when I started, who said this place is just a trojan horse it will be shut in 5 years, I predicted it would be going nowhere and in 2026 it appears I am still correct... 🤔
If Nissan had not made their biggest of a number of mistakes and sacked Carlos "the jackal" Ghosn and had given him the extra cars / houses / money he deserved as he was the only CEO that had half a clue what he was doing and actually had an idea how to do things they would probably be in a far better shape now, as those that replaced him including at NMUK had no real innovative ideas and the plant stagnated for years which is being paid for to some extent now...
But with Chery or whoever they get into bed with next, I predict the plant will still be here in another 25 years and still going strong...
I genuinely hope I am right again and while the doubters will continue to mock and of course no plant is un-shutable NMUK has too many good people and historical excellence which is future compatible to disappear any time soon imho...🤔
And while I am not totally against them building Chinese cars on our lines supporting local jobs like Bluebird did for us back in the day I am 100% against ANY cars coming direct from China with their subsidised cheap labour methods and think they should be banned altogether or at minimum high tariffs imposed on them unless built here, I would rather walk than ever have a Jaecoo or BYD but sadly others are buying them. As I have mentioned before I put my money where my mouth is and bought a new petrol Tekna+ Juke 4 month ago and would not change it for a BYD and a Jaecoo even if you paid me...
Agreed worrying times but certainly nothing new for NMUK, as seems to have been the case every other year since I started in the 80's, not to mention EVERY time the pay talks came around!! but Nissan well at least NMUK has always found a way to "JUST DE IT" as they tended to say a lot up there...😉👍
LONG LIVE NMUK - the best car plant in Britain...💪

At least he seems to care about Britain, British people and British manufacturing jobs, which does not seem to be the case for Kier / Kemi or the Greens and other loony parties...🤔
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He doesn't. He only cares about himself. If a company can't stand on its own feet they are history.

Labour continue to give Government support to Nissan as has happened over many years. Hopefully Nissan do survive.
 
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Marky Mark said:
Well as I have been saying for nearly 40 years now, including to all the doubters in 1987/88 when I started, who said this place is just a trojan horse it will be shut in 5 years, I predicted it would be going nowhere and in 2026 it appears I am still correct... 🤔
If Nissan had not made their biggest of a number of mistakes and sacked Carlos "the jackal" Ghosn and had given him the extra cars / houses / money he deserved as he was the only CEO that had half a clue what he was doing and actually had an idea how to do things they would probably be in a far better shape now, as those that replaced him including at NMUK had no real innovative ideas and the plant stagnated for years which is being paid for to some extent now...
But with Chery or whoever they get into bed with next, I predict the plant will still be here in another 25 years and still going strong...
I genuinely hope I am right again and while the doubters will continue to mock and of course no plant is un-shutable NMUK has too many good people and historical excellence which is future compatible to disappear any time soon imho...🤔
And while I am not totally against them building Chinese cars on our lines supporting local jobs like Bluebird did for us back in the day I am 100% against ANY cars coming direct from China with their subsidised cheap labour methods and think they should be banned altogether or at minimum high tariffs imposed on them unless built here, I would rather walk than ever have a Jaecoo or BYD but sadly others are buying them. As I have mentioned before I put my money where my mouth is and bought a new petrol Tekna+ Juke 4 month ago and would not change it for a BYD and a Jaecoo even if you paid me...
Agreed worrying times but certainly nothing new for NMUK, as seems to have been the case every other year since I started in the 80's, not to mention EVERY time the pay talks came around!! but Nissan well at least NMUK has always found a way to "JUST DE IT" as they tended to say a lot up there...😉👍
LONG LIVE NMUK - the best car plant in Britain...💪

At least he seems to care about Britain, British people and British manufacturing jobs, which does not seem to be the case for Kier / Kemi or the Greens and other loony parties...🤔
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Seem to remember when Nigel told us is coal mining, ship building & steel making wasn't profitable then they'd be collateral damage

"For decades, Farage was a staunch free-market defender who openly backed the decline of unprofitable state-supported industries. However, ahead of key UK election cycles, Nigel Farage and his party, Reform UK, shifted strategies to aggressively court working-class voters in Britain's former manufacturing heartlands."
 
englishman abroad said:
Seem to remember when Nigel told us is coal mining, ship building & steel making wasn't profitable then they'd be collateral damage

"For decades, Farage was a staunch free-market defender who openly backed the decline of unprofitable state-supported industries. However, ahead of key UK election cycles, Nigel Farage and his party, Reform UK, shifted strategies to aggressively court working-class voters in Britain's former manufacturing heartlands."
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It's almost as if they knew what would win hearts and minds isn't it.
Bit like Trump
 
englishman abroad said:
Seem to remember when Nigel told us is coal mining, ship building & steel making wasn't profitable then they'd be collateral damage

"For decades, Farage was a staunch free-market defender who openly backed the decline of unprofitable state-supported industries. However, ahead of key UK election cycles, Nigel Farage and his party, Reform UK, shifted strategies to aggressively court working-class voters in Britain's former manufacturing heartlands."
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Aye he's full of shit. Nissan won't get any support from Reform so hopefully this Chinese thing works out or Sunderland is fucked.
 
Hosey69 said:
If you get TUPE across to another owner or merger between two businesses, your existing rights are protected by law.
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The only thing that's really protected is the fact the new business has to take you on and at the same wages. Stuff like working hours, location and pensions are up to the new company. They can and do decide what to do with you once you are over there. We are going through the same thing and it's a load of shite to be honest. Basically the options are going to the unknown with the new company, refuse to move to the new company and this goes down as a resignation, find another role within the existing company or just go through all the job hunting shite again and go elsewhere
 
League Wan said:
The only thing that's really protected is the fact the new business has to take you on and at the same wages. Stuff like working hours, location and pensions are up to the new company. They can and do decide what to do with you once you are over there. We are going through the same thing and it's a load of shite to be honest. Basically the options are going to the unknown with the new company, refuse to move to the new company and this goes down as a resignation, find another role within the existing company or just go through all the job hunting shite again and go elsewhere
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Is it a comparable situation in terms of different roles? I can't see it being legal to have hundreds of people ostensibly having the same role - on contract at least - and cherrypicking (no pun intended) who has to move over and who doesn't?

What criteria would they legally be allowed to say someone has to move when another doesn't without it being potentially going down as discrimination claim ? I mean, if you got an ultimatum and someone you could prove were mates outside of work with anyone of influence didn't get the same treatment.

Total guess and conjecture here, but I think they'd be wiser to dangle a carrot rather than open up a can of worms. Also mixing my metaphors.
 
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fr2022 said:
Any rumours on overtime next month?
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As far as I know mate. No more Fridays off next month and moving forward.
July overtime including Saturdays start again
After summer shutdown
Announcement 3 shifts line 2
And negotiations going on currently with cherry to take over line 1
Cherry
As our mate dongfeng said ages ago
Going to offer slight pay cut but lumper over 24 months 4 x payments to stay on line 1 to staff rumoured 20k . 4 x 5k lumpers over 24 months. We will see mate 👍
 
JD73 said:
As far as I know mate. No more Fridays off next month and moving forward.
July overtime including Saturdays start again
After summer shutdown
Announcement 3 shifts line 2
And negotiations going on currently with cherry to take over line 1
Cherry
As our mate dongfeng said ages ago
Going to offer slight pay cut but lumper over 24 months 4 x payments to stay on line 1 to staff rumoured 20k . 4 x 5k lumpers over 24 months. We will see mate 👍
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Has 3 shifts not been officially announced?
 
Gennaro Savastano said:
Has 3 shifts not been officially announced?
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No mate after summer shutdown so 3 months notice
Cherry in negotiations now
Lumper to those who stay over 24 months
5k every 6 month the rumour
As impossible to get staff up and running otherwise
Management more which Is fair enough as walking away from big contracts and service
Nissan drama changed terms and conditions
As Cherry were going to walk away
Happy medium to for both sides
Those who stay for Cherry
Not 12% payout
A lot less
But 20k lumper
4 x 5k over 24 months so staff stay loyal
Fair enough like mate 👍
Dongfeng said:
3 shifts will prob be end of year time
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After summer shutdown mate 👌
You've been spot on though mate
Slight pay reduction etc
Fair play mate 👏 👍
Dongfeng said:
3 shifts will prob be end of year time
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Sorry mate
Your 100% correct
 
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Can see £20k being a very attractive proposition for some people; especially if you're not particularly keen on going to three-shifts anyway. Hope whatever transpires works out for everyone and nobody is forced into a situation they don't want to be in.
 
S.S.R.. said:
Can see £20k being a very attractive proposition for some people; especially if you're not particularly keen on going to three-shifts anyway. Hope whatever transpires works out for everyone and nobody is forced into a situation they don't want to be in.
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The ideal situation for the factory is that both Lines end up on 3 shifts eventually.
 
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