BarrySheensAutograph
Midfield
The club are dreadful for this
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Legends Way fan vote: choose the 14 legends
- Thread starter The Great Soprendo
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Awful stuff. Half a dozen of the names should have been behind the likes of Charlie Buchan, Bobby Gurney and Jimmy Thorpe. Jim won the league I'm his early 20's and died as a result of being injured whilst playing for the club. It's the ultimate sacrifice FFS!
Clowns who know fuck all about our history have made half of those selected a total mockery
Clowns who know fuck all about our history have made half of those selected a total mockery
Tom the Pom
Striker
Nee Monty FFS!
seaham ftm
Winger
Stand and statue named after him...
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Mr.Thunders
Striker
A bloke next to me was NOT happy about Jill Scott like and made a SEXIST remark
MiddleAgedMan
Midfield
I'm fairly confident this is a windup.
But if not, you're wrong. I've paid good money to have my family name next to a legend.
When my grandkids ask where our stone is I wanted to tell them it's next to our all time top goal scorer.
It's next to the founder of the club.
It's next to the manager that won the FA Cup in 1937.
It's next to our keeper who won four league titles.
Not it's next to a person that barely played for us, or next to a manager that finished 7th twice as the pinnacle of their achievements. Or a chairman who literally had protests against his running of the club.
It's bang out of order the choices.
Chop Sauce
Striker
needs raising with the club asap @Becs
No way the fan vote counted for anything looking at the results. Made a bit of a mockery of what was a great idea.
Mowgli
Striker
Do you not want to be next to the queen of the jungle?
She falls somewhere between Duncan Watmore and Charlie Methven in terms of SAFC legends.
MiddleAgedMan
Midfield
No. And I bet she is embarrassed herself. She isn't even a legend of the ladies team let alone SAFC as a whole.
Mowgli
Striker
Don't mind having a woman player in there, but even the legends of the women's team must be annoyed she's going in.
RedandWhiteRebel
Midfield
Agreed.
I guess they put it to a fan vote to help drive sales of personalised stones but then the down side is we end up with a final list that makes no sense.
The lasses shouldn't have been included to start with they should have a separate area so that was ballsed up from the start.
How do I claim my £150 back?...only kidding i still like the idea and hopefully some of the names who should have been honoured are added in future.
shootsitgoeswide
Full Back
these bricks wont sell if they are putting them around Jill Scott, Peter Reid and Bob Murray (who already has the gates)
Some really bad choices there mind. I'm 100% sure the Jill Scott one is a tick box exercise, the club had to include a woman's legend or it would be been seen as Sexist by some and shed bad light on the club.
if they wanted a woman's legend as part of this then the club from the start should of had a separate vote out of the 'woman's legends' and let people choose.
there is no way that Jill Scott got more votes than Marco Gabbiadini and the founder of SAFC as well as others.
Some really bad choices there mind. I'm 100% sure the Jill Scott one is a tick box exercise, the club had to include a woman's legend or it would be been seen as Sexist by some and shed bad light on the club.
if they wanted a woman's legend as part of this then the club from the start should of had a separate vote out of the 'woman's legends' and let people choose.
there is no way that Jill Scott got more votes than Marco Gabbiadini and the founder of SAFC as well as others.
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I'll collate the comments on here and send them over to RAWA lately.
I was bemused by the list when it was read out yesterday and surprised by the omission of men I consider to be legends in our history. Bobby Gurney was used on the promo material advertising the stones so I'm at a loss how he didn't make the list.
I do think it should have been chosen by historians based on statistics like most appearances, most goals, most saves, notable wins, classic moments etc.
Got nothing against Jill Scott as a person. She's likeable, has done a lot to raise the profile of women's football and she's hilarious on stuff like The Overlap. Based on her Sunderland career alone though, she started off playing as a young girl and then left without doing anything of note directly as a club player.
I wouldn't have included Bob Murray as he's already recognised with the gates. People like Peter Reid and Defoe were above average but not legends compared to the achievements of Buchan, Gurney, Thorpe etc.
Do you think it's an age related thing?
Partly due to the fact that I've got first hand experience of my Grandpa telling me about watching Charlie Buchan and I remember his eyes lighting up when he was talking about him. As time passes, the younger contingent don't hear the tales of past players from people who watched them.
Partly due to the increase and accessibility of media. I started going in the late 80's and if I'm telling my tales, I can usually quickly find footage to show my children what happened. My Dad and my grandparents didn't have that visual to show younger people.
Partly due to it being an online vote. We've all seen comments about digital tickets and cashless stadiums - my Dad can't use a smart phone etc. I'd be interested to see the demographic of people who actually voted as I bet a lot more younger people voted who may have picked based on recent history as that's what they're living through.
I was bemused by the list when it was read out yesterday and surprised by the omission of men I consider to be legends in our history. Bobby Gurney was used on the promo material advertising the stones so I'm at a loss how he didn't make the list.
I do think it should have been chosen by historians based on statistics like most appearances, most goals, most saves, notable wins, classic moments etc.
Got nothing against Jill Scott as a person. She's likeable, has done a lot to raise the profile of women's football and she's hilarious on stuff like The Overlap. Based on her Sunderland career alone though, she started off playing as a young girl and then left without doing anything of note directly as a club player.
I wouldn't have included Bob Murray as he's already recognised with the gates. People like Peter Reid and Defoe were above average but not legends compared to the achievements of Buchan, Gurney, Thorpe etc.
Do you think it's an age related thing?
Partly due to the fact that I've got first hand experience of my Grandpa telling me about watching Charlie Buchan and I remember his eyes lighting up when he was talking about him. As time passes, the younger contingent don't hear the tales of past players from people who watched them.
Partly due to the increase and accessibility of media. I started going in the late 80's and if I'm telling my tales, I can usually quickly find footage to show my children what happened. My Dad and my grandparents didn't have that visual to show younger people.
Partly due to it being an online vote. We've all seen comments about digital tickets and cashless stadiums - my Dad can't use a smart phone etc. I'd be interested to see the demographic of people who actually voted as I bet a lot more younger people voted who may have picked based on recent history as that's what they're living through.
Copalis
Full Back
Should just increase the numbers to say 22 and include more...unless it has all been planned and no more room?
I think the 'pit banner' of Bradley and Defoe is superb, it is a very emotional and (for me) a more fitting tribute to Defoe (and of course Bradley).
I'm not a historian of the club, but Allan and Carter were the first two on my list. Mind boggling the founder is not on there.
Yes age and the passing of generations. In the vein of Galadriel from LOTR...'Much that once was is lost, for none now live who remember it'....and I know hindsight is great, but as been said previously, we do have Mr Mason who could have been personally tasked to identify older legends that were likely to be overlooked.
I think the 'pit banner' of Bradley and Defoe is superb, it is a very emotional and (for me) a more fitting tribute to Defoe (and of course Bradley).
HarrogateMackem
Striker
Defoe, a man who walked out on the club when we were at our lowest after a few games because you had to fill up your water bottle yourself and there wasn’t a stocked drinks fridge like he was used to when we were in the PL - and it was all beneath him.
This was after he’d previously turned us down to sign for Bournemouth.
What a legend.
This was after he’d previously turned us down to sign for Bournemouth.
What a legend.
When marketing and branding people with no connection or interest in the real history of the club start making decisions about our history as a revenue earning exercise, their ignorance shows and you end up with Jill Scott and Peter Reid and Jermain Defoe being described as legends.
I'd have just let Rob Mason choose the lot.
Yes there would have been a stone to remember a left back from the 1897 team, who nobody had heard of, but about whom he had an interesting story about his WW1 experiences, but it would have been a lot more valid than what they come up with.
I'd have just let Rob Mason choose the lot.
Yes there would have been a stone to remember a left back from the 1897 team, who nobody had heard of, but about whom he had an interesting story about his WW1 experiences, but it would have been a lot more valid than what they come up with.
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RedandWhiteRebel
Midfield
Just realised no James Allen FFS. 
One of the club founders who also played in the team. I know he eventually split off and formed Sunderland Albion after a number of years but come on...
The only way they save this is by honouring some of the obvious names missing off the final list in another way.
The likes of Allen probably deserve their own statue or plaque so hopefully that is the idea.
One of the club founders who also played in the team. I know he eventually split off and formed Sunderland Albion after a number of years but come on...
The only way they save this is by honouring some of the obvious names missing off the final list in another way.
The likes of Allen probably deserve their own statue or plaque so hopefully that is the idea.
