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Legends Way fan vote: choose the 14 legends


Vauxie said:
Come on buwa,come on buwa.
Played more games for buwa than us.
Publicly stated he would play champo football should we be relegated and went to buwa, yet he did when they get relegated.
So not a leg end at all, not at Sunlun
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Edit will "never" play champo football
 
Allen
Doig
Buchan
Carter
Gurney
Mapson
Shackleton
Hurley
Kerr
Bennett
Ball
Phillips
Quinn
Scot (Included on merit but let's not forget just how many women are massive Lad's fans and who are far more loyal than many of the men.)

I thought that it was important to ensure that each era was represented.

Bob Murray like Monty is a special case . Jim of course has his stand and will have a statue. Bob not only has his gates but the Stadium of Light the Academy of Light and the Foundation of Light ..... "Si monumentum requiris ,circumspice" ("If you seek his monument, look around you".)
 
MiddleAgedMan said:
Not being funny, but why should they be lauded any more than the 1937 winning team? Or any of the league title winning sides?

If anything, based on their actual records for Sunderland, not many of the 1973 side would reach the pantheon of all time greats (tin hat might need to go on). Monty obviously. Probably Kerr. But after that?
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Because we were the total underdogs, playing one of the best teams ( be them being right durty bstards) in Europe, written off by everyone. Still recognised over 50 years later as one of the greatest victories of all time.
The other teams were great, but all in the top flight and in the mix for titles.
Thats why.
 
Quinnymelad said:
Because we were the total underdogs, playing one of the best teams ( be them being right durty bstards) in Europe, written off by everyone. Still recognised over 50 years later as one of the greatest victories of all time.
The other teams were great, but all in the top flight and in the mix for titles.
Thats why.
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Yes that's right, but equally I would say you have given more credence to my point - the 1937 FA Cup and title winning sides were more at the peak of the game.

No right and no wrong in this debate though. Just different opinions
 
HarrogateMackem said:
I wish they hadn't done a fan vote in all honesty and let Rob Mason choose! We're no doubt going to see the classic recency bias and the fact people don't know a lot about our history understandably.
I really hope we can celebrate our grand history, and shout about stuff beyond '73! Some names for people to consider (imo).
  1. Raich Carter is regarded as the greatest player ever to play for our fantastic team. A massively gifted inside forward who captained the club to the 1936 league title and the 1937 FA Cup. A local lad too.
  2. Len Shackleton, "the Clown Prince of Football," was a maverick entertainer who dazzled crowds at Roker Park with outrageous skill and an maveric streak that made him a fans' favourite but kept him on the wrong side of the football establishment, earning him far fewer England caps than he deserved
  3. Ted Doig was a Scottish goalkeeper who joined Sunderland in 1890 and spent 14 years at the club, winning the league title and establishing himself as one of the finest keepers of the Victorian era.
  4. Johnny Campbell, another Scot, was a prolific striker during the "Team of All the Talents" period in the 1890s when Sunderland won three league championships in four years, a dominance that has never really been matched.
  5. Charlie Buchan arrived in 1911 and went on to score 224 goals for the club across 16 years, making him one of the greatest forwards in English football before the Second World War
  6. Bobby Gurney holds the club's all-time scoring record with 228 goals between 1925 and 1939, and was the spearhead of the 1936 championship and 1937 FA Cup winning sides.
  7. George Holley was a skillful inside forward who scored over 150 goals in the decade before the First World War, won 10 England caps, and is probably the most unjustly forgotten great player in Sunderland's history imo.
  8. James Allan, founded the club in 1879 as a schoolteacher, making him the reason any of this exists at all.

I imagine Quinny is in with a shout, and Gary Bennett and Super Kev - as they're within our lifetime. And Hurley is obviously amazing too - but he does have the gates?
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Picked those eight names myself
 
MiddleAgedMan said:
Not being funny, but why should they be lauded any more than the 1937 winning team? Or any of the league title winning sides?

If anything, based on their actual records for Sunderland, not many of the 1973 side would reach the pantheon of all time greats (tin hat might need to go on). Monty obviously. Probably Kerr. But after that?
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Recency bias, we still have supporters alive today who witnessed 73 in all its glory (my old man one of them).

I've heard all of the stories and seen all of the footage of 73 drummed into me by my father, but not so much 37.
 
RedandWhiteRebel said:
Recency bias, we still have supporters alive today who witnessed 73 in all its glory (my old man one of them).

I've heard all of the stories and seen all of the footage of 73 drummed into me by my father, but not so much 37.
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Yes exactly. For the same reason I don't think Hurley should be classed as our 'best ever player'. I'm sure he was very good, but he played most of his career for us in the second tier!

While Raich Carter won league titles, the FA Cup and widely classed as one of England's best at that time let alone Sunderland.

Historians / experts should select these things most of the time
 
MiddleAgedMan said:
Yes exactly. For the same reason I don't think Hurley should be classed as our 'best ever player'. I'm sure he was very good, but he played most of his career for us in the second tier!

While Raich Carter won league titles, the FA Cup and widely classed as one of England's best at that time let alone Sunderland.

Historians / experts should select these things most of the time
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Fair points and difficult to argue on the face of it.

But because they are selling stones to us supporters they will want to maximise fan
engagement and letting the public vote is part of it.

Personally I would have still purchased a stone if the club historian had selected the 'Legends' but i assume people feel more involved when there is a vote and more likely to spend money.
 
RedandWhiteRebel said:
Recency bias, we still have supporters alive today who witnessed 73 in all its glory (my old man one of them).

I've heard all of the stories and seen all of the footage of 73 drummed into me by my father, but not so much 37.
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I'm a 73er but even I chose Mr Allen, Ted Diog , Shack, some of the 73 team , Charlie, SPK etc because of their big parts in our history....
 
The Situation said:
Irrespective of whether he makes the 14 here (I think he should and have voted for him by the way), he will never be forgotten here mate. Don't ever worry about that.
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Thanks mate, really does mean alot. He brought me and my brother up to be Sunderland fans, even though iv never lived there, I only love my imidiat family the way I love that club, just like my dad did! And it makes me so proud that I have the privilege to be my dad's son.
riffraff said:
Read your question again.
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I read both questions again. They haven't changed, they're still the same questions, and they still haven't been answered. Who are you stating are failures? What are you judging them on to brand them as failures?
 
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