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The Pep myth

Danny999 said:
Fergie turned Utd into a global superpower with revenue through the roof. He also toppled Liverpool to the highest amount of top division titles. Now tell me what has Pep done in comparison without financial doping?

As for my rags comment, I'm referring to the fact he didn't have 200m per transfer window (or equivalent in yesteryears money) at his disposal until he turned them into the success that we know of Utd today. Generated income compared to blank chequebook. Not even a debate for me.
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Fergy tapped up every player in the country he'd be nowhere as successful in the modern game compared to the 90s and 00s with 0 competition, his 442 tactics would get ripped apart.
 

PG completely revitalised Barca when he took over
They had gone stale and were clearly second best to RM with lots of expensive uninterested players
He promoted Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and many others from youth system and had them playing a new brand of football that dominated Europe for a decade or more
Yes he has had money at Bayern and City but he created a brand and style of football that was copied ( still copied ?) the world over
To suggest he is/was overrated etc is patently horseshit
Like Jose he is coming to the end of his use by date and I suspect he knows this and is getting weary at the intensity and demands
For me he will become (is) one of THE managerial legends
 
contrarian said:
PG completely revitalised Barca when he took over
They had gone stale and were clearly second best to RM with lots of expensive uninterested players
He promoted Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and many others from youth system and had them playing a new brand of football that dominated Europe for a decade or more
Yes he has had money at Bayern and City but he created a brand and style of football that was copied ( still copied ?) the world over
To suggest he is/was overrated etc is patently horseshit
Like Jose he is coming to the end of his use by date and I suspect he knows this and is getting weary at the intensity and demands
For me he will become (is) one of THE managerial legends
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Is that the same Messi, Xavi and Iniesta that were already well know before Pep was manger ?
 
contrarian said:
PG completely revitalised Barca when he took over
They had gone stale and were clearly second best to RM with lots of expensive uninterested players
He promoted Xavi, Iniesta, Messi and many others from youth system and had them playing a new brand of football that dominated Europe for a decade or more
Yes he has had money at Bayern and City but he created a brand and style of football that was copied ( still copied ?) the world over
To suggest he is/was overrated etc is patently horseshit
Like Jose he is coming to the end of his use by date and I suspect he knows this and is getting weary at the intensity and demands
For me he will become (is) one of THE managerial legends
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Xavi and Iniesta were already in the first team, although he did move Xavi further forward and Iniesta deeper.

Deserves the credit for promoting Valdes, Busquets and Pedro whilst binning off Ronaldinho and Deco.
 
nottsmackem91 said:
Fergy tapped up every player in the country he'd be nowhere as successful in the modern game compared to the 90s and 00s with 0 competition, his 442 tactics would get ripped apart.
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Fergie seemed to hoss money around every summer as well. Ferdinand, Veron, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney off the top of my head were all massive money at the time
 
nottsmackem91 said:
Fergy tapped up every player in the country he'd be nowhere as successful in the modern game compared to the 90s and 00s with 0 competition, his 442 tactics would get ripped apart.
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Often made record signings. Think people forget he would also cherry pick the best players from main opppsition too. Cantina and Cole immediately spring to mind.

That's not to say he wasn't a superb manager though. He absolutely was.

He wouldn't play 442 though. Obviously. He'd already been moving away from that in part before he finished. Was the first from the English league to look to play 451 in Europe as well.
 
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This thread has been ongoing for the past 5 years now, it's been pointed out millions of times that the spending power Man United had in the 90s and early 00s compared to everyone else was far greater than City have currently have.
 
nottsmackem91 said:
Fergy tapped up every player in the country he'd be nowhere as successful in the modern game compared to the 90s and 00s with 0 competition, his 442 tactics would get ripped apart.
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Well yeah. Football evolves. I'm sure he'd be astute enough to adapt accordingly rather than in a stubborn mindset of persisting with the same formation (e.g., Amorim) though.
 
I think his players get so worried about upsetting him. He has them playing a certain way that sometimes it stifles flair or maybe a quick long ball over the top....I watched Cherki the other week and he tried something spectacular...Pep was going apeshit on sidelines and on next break of play you could see Pep berating Cherki
 
Toronado said:
arguably achieved a lot less than he should have in his career with the players and money at this disposal
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He's one of the most successful managers in football history. La Liga x3, Bundesliga x3, Premier League x6, Champions League x3, Club World Cup x4, main domestic cup x6. Only Alex Ferguson has more major honours in modern football, and he only won the Champions League twice and only managed one major club. 35 major honours, but he spits a lot so must be shite.

Seriously though, what more do you want?

It's interesting seeing his current transition with positional play not being as effective due to teams mastering how to man mark it. I'd like to see how he adapts long term.
 
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