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ID checks for away tickets

garyeaststand said:
Should be unlimited , but the person you forward it on to gets the point
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I'm not sure I'd agree with the person who gets the ticket getting a point mind. Someone with a lot of points could forward their ticket 5 times or whatever to a mate and that could boost the mate into phase 1, when really they should be in phase 2 with a lot of others. Feels like people could basically get a leg up just because they know someone with high points. Personally I think points should only be given to an eligible fan who attends. If they pass it on, the person they give it to gets the benefit of being able to attend a game they otherwise wouldn't and that's enough of a bonus for them. If they did that (you can pass it on, but no one gets a point) then they could in theory make it unlimited because anyone doing it too often would end up losing their place in phase 1.

It would address the issue of people being punished for unexpectedly not being able to attend, without leaving an empty seat. Any touts wouldn't do it because they'd swiftly end up unable to buy tickets. People just looking to inflate their points so they can pick and choose what games they go to wouldn't do it because they'd drop out of phase 1 eventually. No one gets artificially boosted up a phase due to their connections. No seats go empty. That seems a pretty fair way of doing it. But certainly they need something in place so that people aren't at risk of losing all their points just because one time they give a ticket to a friend when they find they can't go
 

Guinness Guzzler said:
I'm not sure I'd agree with the person who gets the ticket getting a point mind. Someone with a lot of points could forward their ticket 5 times or whatever to a mate and that could boost the mate into phase 1, when really they should be in phase 2 with a lot of others. Feels like people could basically get a leg up just because they know someone with high points. Personally I think points should only be given to an eligible fan who attends. If they pass it on, the person they give it to gets the benefit of being able to attend a game they otherwise wouldn't and that's enough of a bonus for them. If they did that (you can pass it on, but no one gets a point) then they could in theory make it unlimited because anyone doing it too often would end up losing their place in phase 1.

It would address the issue of people being punished for unexpectedly not being able to attend, without leaving an empty seat. Any touts wouldn't do it because they'd swiftly end up unable to buy tickets. People just looking to inflate their points so they can pick and choose what games they go to wouldn't do it because they'd drop out of phase 1 eventually. No one gets artificially boosted up a phase due to their connections. No seats go empty. That seems a pretty fair way of doing it. But certainly they need something in place so that people aren't at risk of losing all their points just because one time they give a ticket to a friend when they find they can't go
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good point and don't think anyone would argue with that.

it would just need some sensible management from the club and open communication. and also a means of directly contacting someone at the club who is on the ball and can respond quickly.

you should be able to forward your away tickets as and when needed. you lose the point and the other person doesn't gain one. the club can contact you if they think something is suspicious and open dialogue to find out whats going on if you forward your ticket 3 or 4 times in a row. it would be of no benefit for you to do that, as you wouldn't be accumulating points.
 
brains said:
It's due to PL rules. The club probably have to demonstrate to the PL, the measures they have in place to prevent touting.

Up to now as far as I know, people who have used another persons ticket and selected for an ID check have just been unable to enter the ground. The original ticket holder has then been selected for an ID check the next away game as well.

I've not heard of any details been taken at the away ground or even any punishments for the original holder. Has anyone else?
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Aye I know mate. I was just talking about the mags banning 610 people for touting and over 4k being monitored. That must be for home games as well because they do ID checks for home games too, which I am surprised at.
 
DC88 said:
Aye I know mate. I was just talking about the mags banning 610 people for touting and over 4k being monitored. That must be for home games as well because they do ID checks for home games too, which I am surprised at.
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Bear in mind all of their home tickets are on a membership ballot scheme, and most people don't get a ticket from it.
 
tunstallhill said:
good point and don't think anyone would argue with that.

it would just need some sensible management from the club and open communication. and also a means of directly contacting someone at the club who is on the ball and can respond quickly.

you should be able to forward your away tickets as and when needed. you lose the point and the other person doesn't gain one. the club can contact you if they think something is suspicious and open dialogue to find out whats going on if you forward your ticket 3 or 4 times in a row. it would be of no benefit for you to do that, as you wouldn't be accumulating points.
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Having thought this through a bit more you are right about the amount of times it could be passed on and it could be easily accommodated and monitored with the system we now have in place
However getting sensible management and clear open communication may be a challenge to far!!
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
Bear in mind all of their home tickets are on a membership ballot scheme, and most people don't get a ticket from it.
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Although I agree that some folk miss out, the mags do love to push the myth that it’s virtually impossible to get tickets mind.

There’s plenty of tickets available for every game via the ballot. In addition, there was a lot of tickets available 24hrs before the palace game.

What some of the most vocal mags really want is tickets for us, Utd and City. They have little interest in the lesser games
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
I'm not sure I'd agree with the person who gets the ticket getting a point mind. Someone with a lot of points could forward their ticket 5 times or whatever to a mate and that could boost the mate into phase 1, when really they should be in phase 2 with a lot of others. Feels like people could basically get a leg up just because they know someone with high points. Personally I think points should only be given to an eligible fan who attends. If they pass it on, the person they give it to gets the benefit of being able to attend a game they otherwise wouldn't and that's enough of a bonus for them. If they did that (you can pass it on, but no one gets a point) then they could in theory make it unlimited because anyone doing it too often would end up losing their place in phase 1.

It would address the issue of people being punished for unexpectedly not being able to attend, without leaving an empty seat. Any touts wouldn't do it because they'd swiftly end up unable to buy tickets. People just looking to inflate their points so they can pick and choose what games they go to wouldn't do it because they'd drop out of phase 1 eventually. No one gets artificially boosted up a phase due to their connections. No seats go empty. That seems a pretty fair way of doing it. But certainly they need something in place so that people aren't at risk of losing all their points just because one time they give a ticket to a friend when they find they can't go
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agree that’s the fairest way for no one to get a point but the ticket can still be forwarded to anther season ticket holder and used, stops people from buying to harvest points.
 
DC88 said:
Aye I know mate. I was just talking about the mags banning 610 people for touting and over 4k being monitored. That must be for home games as well because they do ID checks for home games too, which I am surprised at.
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I think the home games are a bigger issue for them lot and may be for us in the near future. I’m sure they’d identified quite a few “bots” within the ballot scheme that were being used to gain tickets and then sell on resale sites at an inflated fee (think Liverpool may have had similar where they identified 100k+ ticket accounts)

The premier league being as popular as it is means all teams will eventually end up having to do it both home and away
 
DC88 said:
Is that just for away matches though because going off that link they also do ID checks for home matches, which I can’t really understand.
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Seems they use the same principle for home games. Allowed to pass on for a few games then thats it and you run risk of losing season card.
 
HnTch said:
Seems they use the same principle for home games. Allowed to pass on for a few games then thats it and you run risk of losing season card.
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Not sure I agree with that, I know exciles who travel as far as Bournemouth for home games, they can’t make midweek games and daft kickoffs so they would be at risk of loosing their season ticket in that scanario even thou it was perfectly fine for them to do that in league one, and now they have the forwarding and resale option as long as that’s been used there shouldn’t be an issue
 
garyeaststand said:
Not sure I agree with that, I know exciles who travel as far as Bournemouth for home games, they can’t make midweek games and daft kickoffs so they would be at risk of loosing their season ticket in that scanario even thou it was perfectly fine for them to do that in league one, and now they have the forwarding and resale option as long as that’s been used there shouldn’t be an issue
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i think whenever they are making decisions like this, they need to look on an individual basis. if Joe Bloggs has just made a new membership last may and bought a ST and wants to sell it on every game for a profit on resale websites, then deal with him

if John Smith has had a ST continuously, every season for 10 years, all through the league one and covid days, but now has had to move away for work and lives down south and misses a few home games per season, he should be given some respect and dispensation .

in fact, anyone who has had a season ticket continuosly since the league one days should have the freedom of the club to do what the fuck they want, forever
 
My big frustration with it all is basically everything I know about ticket checks ive got from here. Not the club.

I have absolutely no idea what will happen if I take ill before an away game and give my ticket to a family member. Am I ok to do that as a one off and I'll just lose the loyalty point or will a more severe punishment be imposed? Am I allowed to do it once but on the second occasion then they may look into taking my points away? Simply havent a Scooby do.

And if they dont want tickets passing on in any circumstance, aside from it being absolutely ridiculous, they have to clearly communicate this.

I really dont know why rawa haven't been seeking to get any clarity on this. Its exactly the thing they should be doing. Its irrelevant whether some want ticket checks and some don't. Supporters just want to know where exactly they stand with this.
 
North Yorks Mackem said:
My big frustration with it all is basically everything I know about ticket checks ive got from here. Not the club.

I have absolutely no idea what will happen if I take ill before an away game and give my ticket to a family member. Am I ok to do that as a one off and I'll just lose the loyalty point or will a more severe punishment be imposed? Am I allowed to do it once but on the second occasion then they may look into taking my points away? Simply havent a Scooby do.

And if they dont want tickets passing on in any circumstance, aside from it being absolutely ridiculous, they have to clearly communicate this.

I really dont know why rawa haven't been seeking to get any clarity on this. Its exactly the thing they should be doing. Its irrelevant whether some want ticket checks and some don't. Supporters just want to know where exactly they stand with this.
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Exactly and I agree with thre earlier post from @Guinness Guzzler too although I must confess I think the person who passes the ticket on should be able to retain the point. I say this because I am still haunted by the Sheff Ut home game last season. I'm an exile, 280 miles away, I'd been ill over Xmas, hadn't recovered and then the weather forecasts were basically saying dont travel unless you have to so at the last minute I decided to do the sensible thing and stay at home. I didn't get a point, had I known that was going to happen I may well have been stupid enough to travel and probably caught pneumonia in the process. anyway, my point is if we are restricting how many times a season that you can do this then to say a few times then lets not make it too complicated and let them keep the point. If its unlimited then I would agree no points to be awarded. In terms of how many games might you miss with a short term illness it could easily be that you've bought tickets for 4 away games before becoming ill ( think I had Spurs, Brentford, Everton and West Ham all pending) so if we are looking at a number of games you can pass your tickets on I'd probably go for 3 games. I think the mags do that and it strikes me as a sensible compromise
 
Iv said it before and il say it again no drama with ppl getting there tickets but id checks wouldn’t be needed if that Facebook page didn’t exist. The amount of post I seen on there for Brentford was stupid. Under the same impression there will be loads on there for West Ham aswell. Stop that page you stop most of the people who shouldn’t be attending, attending.
 
southside said:
Iv said it before and il say it again no drama with ppl getting there tickets but id checks wouldn’t be needed if that Facebook page didn’t exist. The amount of post I seen on there for Brentford was stupid. Under the same impression there will be loads on there for West Ham aswell. Stop that page you stop most of the people who shouldn’t be attending, attending.
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You’re spot on. And it would be very easy to get it closed down as well particularly as it’s a criminal offence to pass a football ticket on at any price (or even for free)
 
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