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Shay Given MOTD

Diamond Eyes said:
Tony Cascarino used the same word while working for Sky Sports News, about 15 years ago. He never worked for them again despite issuing an immediate apology (As Given also has).

I can understand to some extent those saying he shouldn’t lose his job but if you’re so misinformed that you don’t know what the word ‘Holocaust’ is used to describe with exclusivity, are you really fit to be on BBC tv supposedly informing and educating others? God knows what else he doesn’t know.
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Oh really

I wonder if it’s used in footy then as never heard it
 

PTR said:
In a Google search, maybe.
But in real life absolutely nobody uses that term to mean anything other than the one thing.

Honestly, I'm not trying to have a fight over this. You've just got it wrong and it's OK to realise that and change.
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Surprisingly, Carlton Cole did the same on the radio a couple of months ago. Don't know if he was sacked.


Less surprisingly, so did Barton.

Anyway, peace treaty offer accepted. Can discuss terms later.

Meanwhile, If you think Given is thick, how about a paid employee of the club who still thinks it's OK to dress as a minstrel?
 
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GTG said:
Surprisingly, Carlton Cole did the same on the radio a couple of months ago. Don't know if he was sacked.


Less surprisingly, so did Barton.

Anyway, peace treaty offer accepted. Can discuss terms later.

Meanwhile, If you think Given is thick, how about a paid employee of the club who still thinks it's OK to dress as a minstrel?
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Is he a paid employee? You didn’t even know when you posted it?
 
Speaking as the guy who shoved my foot so far in it when I described BDB'S last minute header against Coventry as 'self fellatio' to Speakman and Bruce, I feel I'm able to comment on this with a level of expertise.

Some things can sound extremely witty in your head and then when it comes out, you just want the ground to swallow you up. It could be a case of that here, or he's just an uneducated idiot.

I think his comment is a lot worse than mine as mine was made in jest and a spurr of the moment thing, so hes rightly getting pelters for it.
 
SAFCBlandy said:
Described Nancy's tenure at Celtic as a holocaust. A very stupid thing to say of course but it's fairly obvious he was just trying to sound clever by using big words that he doesn't understand the meaning of.
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So what? People choose their own meanings to suit their agenda these days. I'm sure everyone knows he didn't mean it literally
 
flusheding said:
Joey Barton 2021 as manager described one of his defenders as having a bad game, it was "a holocaust"

Perry Groves in 2019 saying a Brighton keeper had a "holocaust of a game"


I reckon this is basically a phrase used within football and they are all too think to understand why it's considered offensive outside their football world bubble
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It is definitely a saying.

Not one appropriate for TV mind, but I reckon Given has heard it more in that context than he has in discussions about 1940s history.
 
GTG said:
He didn't refer to 'The Holocaust' and his use of the word as a synonym for catastrophe or disaster was perfectly valid. The fact that, in print, the word is being capitalised every time doesn't help but I am sure it wasn't capitalised in his mind.

Load of absolute shite.

I do still have a fond, if fading, memory of him keeping a clean sheet at Barnsley - along with some heroics from Paul Stewart! - when we were being battered there in the mid-90s, so I may be more sympathetic than some.
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Paul Stewart actually got sent off in that game at Barnsley.
 
I was reading in the paper this morning that Given didn't know what the holocaust meant. How can you not know what the holocaust means?
Edinburgh Black Cat said:
It is definitely a saying.

Not one appropriate for TV mind, but I reckon Given has heard it more in that context than he has in discussions about 1940s history.
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I don't like when pundits use words like war or battle to describe a game of football. If you don't fully understand a word don't use it. Given used the word to be over dramatic about a football coach's tenure. You really can't use words like that to describe anything in football.
 
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Maybe he was talking about the Big Star song? Which at least is sad and emotional 🥲
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Black Cat Gypsy said:
I was reading in the paper this morning that Given didn't know what the holocaust meant. How can you not know what the holocaust means?

I don't like when pundits use words like war or battle to describe a game of football. If you don't fully understand a word don't use it. Given used the word to be over dramatic about a football coach's tenure. You really can't use words like that to describe anything in football.
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More likely he didn't understand the connotations and upset it still caused people.
 
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We had a complete genocide of a game against Brentford, they absolutely gassed us.

See there you go it does sound stupid.

This is like the Hennessey moment a few years ago where he said he was “desperate to learn about the Nazis” as he didnt know making a Sieg Heil was bad.

Even the biggest thickos understand the context.

And lets take away the context, and imagine Shay Given is using it in a different sense… the word literally means “ritual sacrifice (usually through being burnt)”.

So the player had a ritual sacrifice??

Im sick of shite punditry. Shay Given was a tremendous player and was duly rewarded for it, he’s been found out as a shite pundit with poor speaking skill and therefore shouldnt be paid for it.
 
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Black Cat Gypsy said:
I was reading in the paper this morning that Given didn't know what the holocaust meant. How can you not know what the holocaust means?

I don't like when pundits use words like war or battle to describe a game of football. If you don't fully understand a word don't use it. Given used the word to be over dramatic about a football coach's tenure. You really can't use words like that to describe anything in football.
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Being hyperbolic is part and parcel of punditry IMO. That being said, using holocaust in the context he did was especially daft and pleading ignorance as a 50 year old man is shameless. Don't think he deserves to lose his job but probably right to be dragged over the coals for a week.... actually, am I being insensitive to medieval heretics who were physically dragged over the coals?
 
gonzalo said:
We had a complete genocide of a game against Brentford, they absolutely gassed us.

See there you go it does sound stupid.

This is like the Hennessey moment a few years ago where he said he was “desperate to learn about the Nazis” as he didnt know making a Sieg Heil was bad.

Even the biggest thickos understand the context.

And lets take away the context, and imagine Shay Given is using it in a different sense… the word literally means “ritual sacrifice (usually through being burnt)”.

So the player had a ritual sacrifice??

Im sick of shite punditry. Shay Given was a tremendous player and was duly rewarded for it, he’s been found out as a shite pundit with poor speaking skill and therefore shouldnt be paid for it.
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One meaning is catastrophic destruction, e.g. in the phrase nuclear holocaust.

Nancy's term could be described as both catastrophic and destructive.

Holocaust obviously has wider negative connotations to certain groups so not the cleverest of phrases to use on telly.

But it is funny how people are slating him for not knowing what the word means, when they clearly don't know what the word means.
Jabberwocky said:
Being hyperbolic is part and parcel of punditry IMO. That being said, using holocaust in the context he did was especially daft and pleading ignorance as a 50 year old man is shameless. Don't think he deserves to lose his job but probably right to be dragged over the coals for a week.... actually, am I being insensitive to medieval heretics who were physically dragged over the coals?
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Womble Don said:
He is Alan Shearer,s best pal / golf buddy and thats why he got the job…….nothing to do with being up to the role 🤷
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I think it may be more to do with having Paul Stretford as his agent.
There are/have been BBC Media jobs for Jenas and now Rooney,as well as daughter of Dalglish,friend of Stretford.There may be more!
 
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