Excuse me? Have you actually read the thread are are just just chiming in because you didn’t like me pointing out on another thread that something was late?
Poor form if the latter.
-
The forums will be unavailable for a few hours on Saturday 6th June, when they do return they will initially be in a degraded state with some features missing, but normal posting/reading will be possible. The main website will not be affected by these updates.
New user registrations are currently disabled.
Some other features of the forum are also currently disabled.
Sunderland railway station.
- Thread starter EDGE
- Start date
Poor form if the latter.
I talk garbage supposedly yet I'm not the one that's making absolutely wild claims that the reason there's no plans for national rail services at Sunderland is because it was written by mags.
Okay then...
If you are referring to DfT plans who do you think they consult with on the plans?
The local PTE ie Nexus and now NECA.
BlackHoleSun
Central Defender
I need to start getting a few taxis from centre to Doxy to make new earlies
45 mins is a worry.
I could get to Durham on a bus in less
45 mins is a worry.
I could get to Durham on a bus in less
Cappuccino Kid
Striker
You need to try harder mate. That’s weak.
There is massive untapped demand for national rail travel from Wearside that can inky be unlocked by direct connections and (more importantly) the ongoing economic development of the city is contingent on significantly expanded direct connections. Currently, the absence of these is a significant hurdle to attracting businesses into our city centre - we have to address this.
Doxford Park is a much bigger problem in attracting businesses to the city centre rather than a few more train services.
It's a bold claim to make, imo it's more lack of real demand for it due to lack of paths hence Newcastle being prioritised.
Btw I'm not anti Sunderland I'm anti regional infighting it's just holds everywhere back and this is regional infighting imo.
Newcastle, Sunderland and Gateshead need to be one place with all 3 working together to create a better North East rather than it being Newcastle vs Sunderland vs Gateshead like now.
imo it doesn't need more national trains, it just needs backing from the region. 25 minutes direct to Newcastle Central, 50 minutes direct to Newcastle Airport and quick links to the A19 for a car is a massive massive selling point. Somewhere like Cobalt would love those links.
I'm Northumberland, and the constant fighting between the Tyne and Wear councils is annoying while we get fuck all to be blunt and it's why I'm quite vocal. Thankfully things are starting to change though, hence us finally getting the Northumberland Line ironically funded by the Tories of all things and there finally seems to be some movement at the likes of Blyth, Cambois and Ashington which have been ignored for years.
It certainly was in the past but I’m not sure that the case now.
If you are anti inter-regional in-fighting then I hope you and the good people are f Tyneside will support Sunderland’s efforts to attract new national direct rail connections for the city, in order boost overall regional economic growth.
Last edited:
I don't see the boost from these rail services though without a massive improvement on the Durham Coast Line though since it's too slow.
There's already the links in Newcastle Central for those who want to travel and Northumberland has its own issues especially since the decimation of local connections in the new December timetable.
Now if you opened the whole Leamside Line so they came up from the ECML, I might be more convinced if it was say one of the Crosscountry trains which follow each other anyway and carry round fresh air.
The o
It can be done with the existing infrastructure if we weren’t facing a constant strain of derision from our Tyneside neighbours - although obviously longer term it would be advantageous to upgrade Durham Coast line and re-open fully the Leanside.
The obvious economic opportunities are attracting more businesses like Ocado into our rapidly developing city centre and capitalising on the fantastic opportunities that exist at the moment from the renovations - that gives employment opportunities to people all over the region.
It can be done with the existing infrastructure if we weren’t facing a constant strain of derision from our Tyneside neighbours - although obviously longer term it would be advantageous to upgrade Durham Coast line and re-open fully the Leanside.
Last edited:
But why can't they come anyway? There's barely any office space in Newcastle centre anyway and it's mostly at Cobalt or Quorum which both have zero rapid transport to them and are in the middle of nowhere.
It's only 30 minutes on a Metro which is soon to be every 10 minutes or 55 minutes to Newcastle Airport which lets be honest they're more likely bothered about planes than trains, with the bonus of the Grand Central trains on top.
You're really devaluing how good Sunderland is linked to the rest of the country already. Somewhere like Bradford would be jumping for those type of links. Like even up this way, someone from Ashington, using public transport can get to Sunderland easier than they would get to Cobalt or Quorum with the new Northumberland Line and integrated tickets. Truthfully I wouldn't even know how you'd get to them without doubling back in Newcastle or interchanging between infrequent hourly services (at Cramlington).
citybythesea
Striker
Sunderland needs a direct connection to the east coast mainline going south of the city centre
1more
Striker
A direct train from Darlington and Durham would benefit our city centre. Like posted about having these regional rail links would help convince business to set up base.
Don't even need the leamside line to open to have a direct train. It's just a really poor excuse
Roker-73
Midfield
Because the absence of direct rail connections to the city are a major red mark against businesses considering the place.
It’s much easier for them to go somewhere like Stoxkport or Wolverhampton (to give two examples of comparable olaces).
Everyone in the rail industry knows that the most important single factor in a potential business passenger deciding upon their travel method is the availability of direct connections. I’m surprised that I have to explain this tbh.
Mackem00
Striker
Your solution to regional infighting is just to give anything worth having to Newcastle and the rest of us just accepting any scraps they might send our way tho. It's no the wonder people don't like reading it.
Don't disagree to be honest, if you could get it to work. More local that though.
There is the links though; there's 3 trains an hour to London, 2 to Birmingham and beyond and 1 to Manchester from Newcastle Central. This is what I'm saying though, Newcastle/Gateshead/Sunderland need to be one place, when it comes to things like transport, to the rest of the country. It's just up the road and it's got direct links and is no further than the likes of Trafford Park / Mediacity timewise. You're just choosing to isolate Sunderland, and it fairness everyone does.
We just don't have an identity so we keep splitting the 3 cities up which is probably something we should fix really as Tyne and Wear sucks which was actually a last minute change, rightfully, from Tyneside due to opposition. God knows which clown thought that was a good name.
It might come across like that tbf, at times, but it's not. Honestly think stuff like the Sheepfolds etc is some of the best in region, even known I haven't said it much. Housing is the way forward though and the rest will come imo.
Last edited:
Beau Peep
Striker
Two major terminus stations.
8 trains per hour to Leeds (~20 mins)
4x daily Grand Central intercity services to and from London.
7x daily LNER intercity services to and from London.
And they're wedged in the middle of a valley in the Pennines.
Last edited:
Roker-73
Midfield
Eeeeee
You’re either not from Sunderland or you have sold out and have no pride. Stomach churning
TB22
Winger
Where's the proof Grand Central is unreliable ?
cfg
Striker
Never get the paths for hourly service to/from York, ECML and York running pretty well to capacity.
