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Sunderland railway station.


PhilY said:
Because the absence of direct rail connections to the city are a major red mark against businesses considering the place.

It’s much easier for them to go somewhere like Stoxkport or Wolverhampton (to give two examples of comparable olaces).

Everyone in the rail industry knows that the most important single factor in a potential business passenger deciding upon their travel method is the availability of direct connections. I’m surprised that I have to explain this tbh.
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i doubt it even plays into their minds much when most businesses are downsizing their office space as much as possible. You may have had a point when business travel/the need to be well connected to other parts of the country was a necessity, but that is largely a thing of the past.
 
Beau Peep said:
Two major terminus stations.

8 trains per hour to Leeds (~20 mins)

4x daily Grand Central intercity services to and from London.

7x daily LNER intercity services to and from London.

And they're wedged in the middle of a valley in the Pennines.
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Ah missed those new LNER trains, was 2 TPD last time I looked. Knew about the Northern trains though.

cfg said:
Never get the paths for hourly service to/from York, ECML and York running pretty well to capacity.
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Don't think it's that bad between Northallerton (assuming you skip it and use the bypass) and York is it? Not sure on the platform scenario in York itself but I know it's generally North of Northallerton and the station itself there that's the issue.

Beau Peep said:
Errrrr
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Yeah the two 5 minutes apart, every 2 hours or so, rarely busy between Newcastle and Darlington whenever I've used them. Wouldn't be too much of a miss if the Reading ones were extended by 20 minutes or whatever it would be going via Sunderland on the Leamside.
 
Zimba said:
There is the links though; there's 3 trains an hour to London, 2 to Birmingham and beyond and 1 to Manchester from Newcastle Central. This is what I'm saying though, Newcastle/Gateshead/Sunderland need to be one place, when it comes to things like transport, to the rest of the country. It's just up the road and it's got direct links and is no further than the likes of Trafford Park / Mediacity timewise. You're just choosing to isolate Sunderland, and it fairness everyone does.

We just don't have an identity so we keep splitting the 3 cities up which is probably something we should fix really as Tyne and Wear sucks which was actually a last minute change, rightfully, from Tyneside due to opposition. God knows which clown thought that was a good name.




It might come across like that tbf, at times, but it's not. Honestly think stuff like the Sheepfolds etc is some of the best in region, even known I haven't said it much. Housing is the way forward though and the rest will come imo.
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They aren’t one place and you’ve deliberately glossed over the salient point of my post - direct connections.

Let’s leave it there. You clearly don’t care or understand about the point. Luckily you’re not in an any sort of decision making position. Other posters on this thread can see you for what you are too.

If Tyneside want to build a stronger regional identity then they’re going to have to reverse their anti-Wearside agenda. (It’s clear and well established - I’ve previously given you multiple examples of it from my professional experience).
Cappuccino Kid said:
i doubt it even plays into their minds much when most businesses are downsizing their office space as much as possible. You may have had a point when business travel/the need to be well connected to other parts of the country was a necessity, but that is largely a thing of the past.
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I’m working with clients at the moment that are looking for new office facilities. You’re wrong on this point - if anything, the post-covid world has taught businesses to look to scale back on fixed costs and that they can operate outside of the south east (and not just for call centre level work).

There are fantastic opportunities right now for the city to offer a modern office environment ant a fraction of the he cost of the mega-cities like London, Birmingham and Manchester. However, the decision makers are demanding good, direct rail connections.
 
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PhilY said:
They aren’t one place and you’ve deliberately glossed over the salient point of my post - direct connections.

Let’s leave it there. You clearly don’t care or understand about the point. Luckily you’re not in an any sort of decision making position. Other posters on this thread can see you for what you are too.

If Tyneside want to build a stronger regional identity then they’re going to have to reverse their anti-Wearside agenda. (It’s clear and well established - I’ve previously given you multiple examples of it from my professional experience).
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Quorum, Rainton, Doxford Park and Cobalt. The most successful business parks in the North East all without direct services either...
 
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PhilY said:
They’re a different market to city centre.
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You're right and so is Sunderland from Newcastle.

Again this is regional infighting. If someone wants an office with good transport links they should be offered Newcastle City Centre.

If they want an office with good road links and car orientated they should offered Quorum or Cobalt.

If they want an urban style office with want cheaper rates and aren't too bothered about direct links they should be offered Sunderland.

Doing anything else, the only winner is Leeds, Manchester and so on and the person doing it is irrelevant.
 
Zimba said:
You're right and so is Sunderland from Newcastle.

Again this is regional infighting. If someone wants an office with good transport links they should be offered Newcastle City Centre.

If they want an office with good road links and car orientated they should offered Quorum or Cobalt.

If they want an urban style office with want cheaper rates and aren't too bothered about direct links they should be offered Sunderland.

Doing anything else, the only winner is Leeds, Manchester and so on and the person doing it is irrelevant.
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What a load of nonsense. You’re going to extraordinary odd lengths to justify the prejudice that Sunderland has lived with for decades.

It needs to stop.

You’re actually arguing against yourself now if you want the region to succeed. You’re saying that Sunderland can’t have better rail connectivity and should not compete with Newcastle fit new businesses - yet there’s very little new office space available in Newcastle. Therefore, the region suffers.

Have a good evening.
 
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PhilY said:
What a load of nonsense. You’re going to extraordinary odd lengths to justify the prejudice that Sunderland has lived with for decades.

It needs to stop.

You’re actually arguing against yourself now if you want the region to succeed. You’re saying that Sunderland can’t have better rail connectivity and should not compete with Newcastle fit new businesses - yet there’s very little new office space available in Newcastle. Therefore, the region suffers.

Have a good evening.
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I'm not saying Sunderland shouldn't have more connections. I'm saying Sunderland isn't having more connections, there's a big difference.

Deal with the hand you've got, not what might happen. If your waiting for these rail links to come then you might aswell knock everything down.

If people want offices in Newcastle and there's not enough offices there then the answer, right now, is build more offices in Newcastle.

It's not a loss to Sunderland because they were never coming to Sunderland in the first place.

It's a shit hand but it's reality.
 
Zimba said:
I'm not saying Sunderland shouldn't have more connections. I'm saying Sunderland isn't having more connections, there's a big difference.

Deal with the hand you've got, not what might happen. If your waiting for these rail links to come then you might aswell knock everything down.

If people want offices in Newcastle and there's not enough offices there then the answer, right now, is build more offices in Newcastle.

It's not a loss to Sunderland because they were never coming to Sunderland in the first place.

It's a shit hand but it's reality.
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Wow. I mean, just wow.

What a ridiculous response. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

You’ve made yourself perfectly clear here. 👏👏👏 🤡
 
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For those of us who lived, or still live in the City of Sunderland, but beyond the sort of A19 ring there was no point at all going to Sunderland station to get a train. Houghton area, Durham. Shiney or Washington area, Newcastle.

Probably a better forward vision instead of extending the metro to South Hylton would have been to rebuild a railway connection from there to the East Coat line near Durham, probably where the line bends near the prison. Build a connecting new hub station at Park Lane/Civic Centre site so you have a bus station connected to the train station. Have metro extend to Sunderland, terminating at Park Lane but on a platform on the north/south coast line with mainline trains on curved platforms nearby. Make it an easier terminus station for some TP services, maybe some CC too.
 
Zimba said:
You're right and so is Sunderland from Newcastle.

Again this is regional infighting. If someone wants an office with good transport links they should be offered Newcastle City Centre.

If they want an office with good road links and car orientated they should offered Quorum or Cobalt.

If they want an urban style office with want cheaper rates and aren't too bothered about direct links they should be offered Sunderland.

Doing anything else, the only winner is Leeds, Manchester and so on and the person doing it is irrelevant.
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Bullshit argument

If that's the chase Darlington should mop up all this requirement
 
Zimba said:
You're right and so is Sunderland from Newcastle.

Again this is regional infighting. If someone wants an office with good transport links they should be offered Newcastle City Centre.

If they want an office with good road links and car orientated they should offered Quorum or Cobalt.

If they want an urban style office with want cheaper rates and aren't too bothered about direct links they should be offered Sunderland.
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Get fucked man
 
Zimba said:
I'm not saying Sunderland shouldn't have more connections. I'm saying Sunderland isn't having more connections, there's a big difference.

Deal with the hand you've got, not what might happen. If your waiting for these rail links to come then you might aswell knock everything down.

If people want offices in Newcastle and there's not enough offices there then the answer, right now, is build more offices in Newcastle.

It's not a loss to Sunderland because they were never coming to Sunderland in the first place.

It's a shit hand but it's reality.
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This is so nonsensical I don't even believe you believe it ya dafty :lol:
 
Zimba said:
I'm not saying Sunderland shouldn't have more connections. I'm saying Sunderland isn't having more connections, there's a big difference.

Deal with the hand you've got, not what might happen. If your waiting for these rail links to come then you might aswell knock everything down.

If people want offices in Newcastle and there's not enough offices there then the answer, right now, is build more offices in Newcastle.

It's not a loss to Sunderland because they were never coming to Sunderland in the first place.

It's a shit hand but it's reality.
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Someone is bored on a Sunday
 
1more said:
Bullshit argument

If that's the chase Darlington should mop up all this requirement
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I don't know whether your intentionally backing me up here or not because I honestly totally agree.

It's almost as if direct transport is irrelevant.
TZMouk said:
This is so nonsensical I don't even believe you believe it ya dafty :lol:
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To be honest, I don't really. I don't think rail has anything to do with offices so it's a moot point really. There's clearly no demand in Newcastle either really but if this imaginary demand does exist then why should Phil in Sunderland be blocking it...
 
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