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The Tifo

alicante mackem said:
Dylan won the Nobel prize for his poetry.
Dylan isn't a poet? :)
Give our man, you sound ridiculous.

Ballads are also poems. The Ballad of the Lambton Worm is a poem. And it is also a song.
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We'll agree to disagree, Ali... I see where you're coming from. Hope you see my point - best summed up by Simon Armitage, who's tried his hand at both poetry (very well) and songwriting...

"Songwriters are not poets," he wrote in The Guardian. "Or songs are not poems, I should say. In fact, songs are often bad poems. Take the music away and what you're left with is often an awkward piece of creative writing full of lumpy syllables, cheesy rhymes, exhausted cliches and mixed metaphors."
 

The Hunter said:
We'll agree to disagree, Ali... I see where you're coming from. Hope you see my point - best summed up by Simon Armitage, who's tried his hand at both poetry (very well) and songwriting...

"Songwriters are not poets," he wrote in The Guardian. "Or songs are not poems, I should say. In fact, songs are often bad poems. Take the music away and what you're left with is often an awkward piece of creative writing full of lumpy syllables, cheesy rhymes, exhausted cliches and mixed metaphors."
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I can certainly disagree agreeably.
But Simon Armitage's attitude sums up the superiority complex many poets have and is the reason why the greatest poet of the 20th century didn't accept his Nobel prize in person.
Here is an article from the Guardian from Simon Armitage talking about the influence a 'fellow poet's Dylan had on his work.
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Lord Potts said:
The song the Lambton Worm is a relatively modern song written in 1867 about a local Durham legend whose origins are so old that they are lost to time. The legend clearly places the story in County Durham and refers directly to the Lambton family and the river Wear. Worm Hill in Fatfield is featured in the traditional story although the song refers to the adjoining Penshaw Hill. Where the popular song about the worm was first performed is quite irrelevant as the story was already a very well known part of local Durham folklore.

Just because Shakespeare's play Macbeth was first performed at the Globe theatre in London it didn't make Macbeth (who was a real Scottish king with a real history) a cockney or even English.

The song itself was written by Jack Leumane (d 1923) who was a Victorian tenor who sang in popular light operas. Interestingly Jack is believed to have been born either in Sunderland or the within town's immediate vicinity.

By the way my birth certificate (issued in the early 1950's) records me as being born in the Borough of Sunderland within the County of Durham. I have therefore never described myself as being anything other than a Durham lad my entire life . It's about time we ditched this Mag devised "Mackem" epithet
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Yes I know. I was talking about the song not the story.
 
alicante mackem said:
I can certainly disagree agreeably.
But Simon Armitage's attitude sums up the superiority complex many poets have and is the reason why the greatest poet of the 20th century didn't accept his Nobel prize in person.
Here is an article from the Guardian from Simon Armitage talking about the influence a 'fellow poet's Dylan had on his work.
You must be logged on to see external links
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Nice one. Try reading Bolan's Warlock of Love by the way. It won't change your mind, Ali - or mine - but it is lyrical and, for an uneducated London boy, beautifully put together.
 
The Hunter said:
Nice one. Try reading Bolan's Warlock of Love by the way. It won't change your mind, Ali - or mine - but it is lyrical and, for an uneducated London boy, beautifully put together.
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It seems like it's been out of print for a while. Just Googled it and the prices range from $640 to $5,666,29. :)
I do like Marc Bolan mind so I'll keep an eye out.
 
garyeaststand said:
From what’s iv seen on socials the mags seem to be fuming and can’t take anything around north east folklore been associated with Sunderland, they really were brainwashed with the whole Geordie nation crap and implode if any national attention is on us
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I saw on Facebook that we're just 'copying Newcastle' anyway.

So I posted this from 18/3/92, the debut of the first 'tifo' in British football @ Roker Park.

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But wah invented iverthing man...
richest said:
Where
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