Elland road upgrade

[Sgt Pepper]

I depise Leeds, but they have ambitious owners who want to complete with the best, same with Birmingham. Where as little old Sunderland can just bob along competing with the tramps, Boro, Blackburn, Brizzle, getting thrown a bone like play off contenders

How do we know our owners aren’t ambitious and are just happy to ‘Bob along’, just because they haven’t thrown money about like Birmingham or Leeds owners have? Throwing money at it doesn’t guarantee anything in a lot of cases. Our current owners have led us from mid table in League 1 where we seemed destined to stay forever, to two out of three Championship playoff challenges. Given the 1 in 4 chance of promotion through the playoffs, it’s a risky game they seem to like playing if actually they just want us to Bob around in the Championship. Leeds were in the Premier League in 2021, the year our owners took over, so they’ve had a bit of a head start on us in terms of spending power and resource.

 

[Eric gates hair]

Interesting to read some of the comments on here. A couple of quick points

1. Very difficult to retrofit an existing stadium without significant impact on match day revenues

2. ER has an excellent location in comparison to most top clubs. If SFC fans are honest RP was probably a much more desirable location than the SOL where fans leave 10 mins before the end of the game due to transport links. Most Leeds fans stay for the entire game

3. Attendances are just an argument that is total bollox with many factors involved. Bates had us paying PL prices with no concessions when we were in L1 watching absolute toss. If SFC doubled prices it would be interesting to see what would happen to your attendances

4. Although we’re a one club city, the region is also a hotbed for rugby and cricket which does impact. There are also multiple other clubs within an hours drive and I include the Manchester and Sheffield filth in that. You guys only really have Newcastle and Boro. Amongst those 3 clubs you are likely #3 possible #2. In other words whilst Newcastle = Leeds
Sunderland / Boro = Huddersfield / Halifax

Probably the best way to describe it as Newcastle would be way bigger if it were not for the smaller clubs like yourself never mind having 3/4 potential giants within a short drive

Sunderland and Boro are like Huddersfield and Halifax ?

 

[Big Duke Six]

Interesting to read some of the comments on here. A couple of quick points

1. Very difficult to retrofit an existing stadium without significant impact on match day revenues

2. ER has an excellent location in comparison to most top clubs. If SFC fans are honest RP was probably a much more desirable location than the SOL where fans leave 10 mins before the end of the game due to transport links. Most Leeds fans stay for the entire game

3. Attendances are just an argument that is total bollox with many factors involved. Bates had us paying PL prices with no concessions when we were in L1 watching absolute toss. If SFC doubled prices it would be interesting to see what would happen to your attendances

4. Although we’re a one club city, the region is also a hotbed for rugby and cricket which does impact. There are also multiple other clubs within an hours drive and I include the Manchester and Sheffield filth in that. You guys only really have Newcastle and Boro. Amongst those 3 clubs you are likely #3 possible #2. In other words whilst Newcastle = Leeds
Sunderland / Boro = Huddersfield / Halifax

Probably the best way to describe it as Newcastle would be way bigger if it were not for the smaller clubs like yourself never mind having 3/4 potential giants within a short drive

Who's SFC? Southampton?

 

[Gene Hunt]

Interesting to read some of the comments on here. A couple of quick points

1. Very difficult to retrofit an existing stadium without significant impact on match day revenues

2. ER has an excellent location in comparison to most top clubs. If SFC fans are honest RP was probably a much more desirable location than the SOL where fans leave 10 mins before the end of the game due to transport links. Most Leeds fans stay for the entire game

3. Attendances are just an argument that is total bollox with many factors involved. Bates had us paying PL prices with no concessions when we were in L1 watching absolute toss. If SFC doubled prices it would be interesting to see what would happen to your attendances

4. Although we’re a one club city, the region is also a hotbed for rugby and cricket which does impact. There are also multiple other clubs within an hours drive and I include the Manchester and Sheffield filth in that. You guys only really have Newcastle and Boro. Amongst those 3 clubs you are likely #3 possible #2. In other words whilst Newcastle = Leeds
Sunderland / Boro = Huddersfield / Halifax

Probably the best way to describe it as Newcastle would be way bigger if it were not for the smaller clubs like yourself never mind having 3/4 potential giants within a short drive

If this isn’t a fishing trip (which I suspect it is) then it has to be the biggest load of shite ever posted on here. Go back to being Bielsa’s Fluffer Boy (you need to learn how to use apostrophes by the way).

 

[fredthefan]

You can put lipstick on a pig…

 

[EFC]

Talking of narratives here we go..........

In modern history the ground capacity hasn't exceeded 40000 is probably why (currently 37500) it held briefly 40000 before Ken Bates put his executive boxes in, but then you're subject to away attendance.

Leeds fans seem to be in denial about how weak your matchgoing support has been during your history compared to peer clubs. Even at your height when the Capacity allowed plenty of over 40K attendances, your fans couldn't mamage 40K+ over a season. No excuses will change that.

I appreciate Leeds' support has grown over the decades and if the Capacity allowed it now, you'd easily get over 40K across the season.

I reckon as a PL club, 53,000 will be about right for you, but if you go down again, it could be a risky move for the club financially as you won't sustain 50K+ crowds if you stay down for a prolonged period.

 

[Father Jack Hackett]

Interesting to read some of the comments on here. A couple of quick points

1. Very difficult to retrofit an existing stadium without significant impact on match day revenues

2. ER has an excellent location in comparison to most top clubs. If SFC fans are honest RP was probably a much more desirable location than the SOL where fans leave 10 mins before the end of the game due to transport links. Most Leeds fans stay for the entire game

3. Attendances are just an argument that is total bollox with many factors involved. Bates had us paying PL prices with no concessions when we were in L1 watching absolute toss. If SFC doubled prices it would be interesting to see what would happen to your attendances

4. Although we’re a one club city, the region is also a hotbed for rugby and cricket which does impact. There are also multiple other clubs within an hours drive and I include the Manchester and Sheffield filth in that. You guys only really have Newcastle and Boro. Amongst those 3 clubs you are likely #3 possible #2. In other words whilst Newcastle = Leeds
Sunderland / Boro = Huddersfield / Halifax

Probably the best way to describe it as Newcastle would be way bigger if it were not for the smaller clubs like yourself never mind having 3/4 potential giants within a short drive

Not even trying

1/10 due to pity

 

[jcrossan]

They might finally top their record attendance.

Of course that was only due to about 20,000 Sunderland fans who made the trip. (Me included)

 

[DufraisFTM]

Interesting to read some of the comments on here. A couple of quick points

1. Very difficult to retrofit an existing stadium without significant impact on match day revenues

2. ER has an excellent location in comparison to most top clubs. If SFC fans are honest RP was probably a much more desirable location than the SOL where fans leave 10 mins before the end of the game due to transport links. Most Leeds fans stay for the entire game

3. Attendances are just an argument that is total bollox with many factors involved. Bates had us paying PL prices with no concessions when we were in L1 watching absolute toss. If SFC doubled prices it would be interesting to see what would happen to your attendances

4. Although we’re a one club city, the region is also a hotbed for rugby and cricket which does impact. There are also multiple other clubs within an hours drive and I include the Manchester and Sheffield filth in that. You guys only really have Newcastle and Boro. Amongst those 3 clubs you are likely #3 possible #2. In other words whilst Newcastle = Leeds
Sunderland / Boro = Huddersfield / Halifax

Probably the best way to describe it as Newcastle would be way bigger if it were not for the smaller clubs like yourself never mind having 3/4 potential giants within a short drive

Weez SFC like?

 

[Real class of 92]

Leeds fans seem to be in denial about how weak your matchgoing support has been during your history compared to peer clubs. Even at your height when the Capacity allowed plenty of over 40K attendances, your fans couldn't mamage 40K+ over a season. No excuses will change that.

I appreciate Leeds' support has grown over the decades and if the Capacity allowed it now, you'd easily get over 40K across the season.

I reckon as a PL club, 53,000 will be about right for you, but if you go down again, it could be a risky move for the club financially as you won't sustain 50K+ crowds if you stay down for a prolonged period.

We have had more seasons with bigger attendances than Sunderland over the last 60 years despite you having a larger ground capacity for nearly half of that time. Let's not pretend that either club has not got fickle crowds. Both clubs have had years where average attendances were very poor. There is a thread on here asking whether you will manage to sell out your biggest game for years in the play off semi-final.

 

[Bears Beets]

Interesting to read some of the comments on here. A couple of quick points

1. Very difficult to retrofit an existing stadium without significant impact on match day revenues

2. ER has an excellent location in comparison to most top clubs. If SFC fans are honest RP was probably a much more desirable location than the SOL where fans leave 10 mins before the end of the game due to transport links. Most Leeds fans stay for the entire game

3. Attendances are just an argument that is total bollox with many factors involved. Bates had us paying PL prices with no concessions when we were in L1 watching absolute toss. If SFC doubled prices it would be interesting to see what would happen to your attendances

4. Although we’re a one club city, the region is also a hotbed for rugby and cricket which does impact. There are also multiple other clubs within an hours drive and I include the Manchester and Sheffield filth in that. You guys only really have Newcastle and Boro. Amongst those 3 clubs you are likely #3 possible #2. In other words whilst Newcastle = Leeds
Sunderland / Boro = Huddersfield / Halifax

Probably the best way to describe it as Newcastle would be way bigger if it were not for the smaller clubs like yourself never mind having 3/4 potential giants within a short drive

I stopped reading at SFC fans

You’re just another Leeds prick that deserted the club until Bielsa came in

 

[Flea Market Trader]

Why don’t they just move? There’s loads of better sites around there on the motorway

Cost

 

[bagpiperay]

To be honest it looks a bit of a hotch-potch. Still, they’ve got a much a much better team than us as the stats show and good luck to them next season. I only hope we can get a manager to copy their success either this season with a lot of luck or next with much better players bought.

 

[Biffo The Bear]

Interesting to read some of the comments on here. A couple of quick points

1. Very difficult to retrofit an existing stadium without significant impact on match day revenues

2. ER has an excellent location in comparison to most top clubs. If SFC fans are honest RP was probably a much more desirable location than the SOL where fans leave 10 mins before the end of the game due to transport links. Most Leeds fans stay for the entire game

3. Attendances are just an argument that is total bollox with many factors involved. Bates had us paying PL prices with no concessions when we were in L1 watching absolute toss. If SFC doubled prices it would be interesting to see what would happen to your attendances

4. Although we’re a one club city, the region is also a hotbed for rugby and cricket which does impact. There are also multiple other clubs within an hours drive and I include the Manchester and Sheffield filth in that. You guys only really have Newcastle and Boro. Amongst those 3 clubs you are likely #3 possible #2. In other words whilst Newcastle = Leeds
Sunderland / Boro = Huddersfield / Halifax

Probably the best way to describe it as Newcastle would be way bigger if it were not for the smaller clubs like yourself never mind having 3/4 potential giants within a short drive

Whilst some of the points my well be accurate (cricket, Rugby and proximity to Sheffield & Manchester) which you are obviously better placed to comment on, to compare Sunderland to Huddersfield simply shows (1) a total lack of subject matter knowledge or (2) an attempt at wind-up.
I like the look of the stadium upgrade though. EL is a proper stadium, like Villa Park, and I am pleased they appear to be choosing to stay rather than building new, elsewhere.

 

[cornish mackem]

Cost

What’s redevelopment going to cost? Lost revenue, actual build cost vs like what we did and Everton are doing now. The new grounds , even the older ones are so much better than the older redeveloped ones.

 

[Real class of 92]

What’s redevelopment going to cost? Lost revenue, actual build cost vs like what we did and Everton are doing now. The new grounds , even the older ones are so much better than the older redeveloped ones.

Not sure about cost but believe the plan is to start on West Stand, building the tier directly above it so the existing stand can still be used and then relocate those ST holders into upper tier, while lower tier is completed.

 

[EFC]

We have had more seasons with bigger attendances than Sunderland over the last 60 years despite you having a larger ground capacity for nearly half of that time. Let's not pretend that either club has not got fickle crowds. Both clubs have had years where average attendances were very poor. There is a thread on here asking whether you will manage to sell out your biggest game for years in the play off semi-final.

I support Everton, not Sunderland.

Id like to hear a genuine justification from a Leeds fan as to why even when you were one of the top clubs in the country, and your Stadium size allowed it, you couldn't get over 40,000 fans to watch you across a season.

As I said, the peer clubs who Leeds would be compared with - Newcastle, Villa, Sunderland, West Ham, Everton - have all managed it with ease.

Then when you throw in the huge one club City aspect it makes it reflect even worse on Leeds. As much as I don't like them, Newcastle for example put you to shame in that respect, and theyve had far less success in the last 50-60 years than Leeds.

 

[garyeaststand]

Interesting to read some of the comments on here. A couple of quick points

1. Very difficult to retrofit an existing stadium without significant impact on match day revenues

2. ER has an excellent location in comparison to most top clubs. If SFC fans are honest RP was probably a much more desirable location than the SOL where fans leave 10 mins before the end of the game due to transport links. Most Leeds fans stay for the entire game

3. Attendances are just an argument that is total bollox with many factors involved. Bates had us paying PL prices with no concessions when we were in L1 watching absolute toss. If SFC doubled prices it would be interesting to see what would happen to your attendances

4. Although we’re a one club city, the region is also a hotbed for rugby and cricket which does impact. There are also multiple other clubs within an hours drive and I include the Manchester and Sheffield filth in that. You guys only really have Newcastle and Boro. Amongst those 3 clubs you are likely #3 possible #2. In other words whilst Newcastle = Leeds
Sunderland / Boro = Huddersfield / Halifax

Probably the best way to describe it as Newcastle would be way bigger if it were not for the smaller clubs like yourself never mind having 3/4 potential giants within a short drive

It’s in an awful location, I’m normally all for keeping legacy grounds but those designs strip any of that away by getting rid of the kop and making it a generic two tiered stand, they could have done something special rather than re using anfield designs. Might as well look for a better located site close to the city centre

 

[forzamilansafc]

Leeds have a bigger fan base than us. I'm not even sure how people can argue this

 

[VidukasLunchox]

Leeds fans seem to be in denial about how weak your matchgoing support has been during your history compared to peer clubs. Even at your height when the Capacity allowed plenty of over 40K attendances, your fans couldn't mamage 40K+ over a season. No excuses will change that.

I appreciate Leeds' support has grown over the decades and if the Capacity allowed it now, you'd easily get over 40K across the season.

I reckon as a PL club, 53,000 will be about right for you, but if you go down again, it could be a risky move for the club financially as you won't sustain 50K+ crowds if you stay down for a prolonged period.

Isn't this applicable for the majority of football clubs in this country?