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Twisted said:
He was the most consistent run scoring #3 in the CC about 4 years on the bounce. If Trott hadn't been performing i reckon he'd have got a chance like
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You've got your dates muddled up there mind.

Borthwick debuted as a bowler in the same Ashes that Trott retired in. Then Ballance got the gig at 3 afterwards.

Was more 2014-2016 where he smashed it at 3 with bat and then Tom Westley got the nod of Scotty instead when Ballance fell apart.

2013 was the start of Scotty batting at 3 iirc.
 
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mackembhoy said:
You've got your dates muddled up there mind.

Borthwick debuted as a bowler in the same Ashes that Trott retired in. Then Ballance got the gig and

Was more 2014-2016 where he smashed it at 3 with bat and then Tom Westley got the nod instead when Ballance fell apart(after he replaced Trott).

2013 was the start of Scotty batting at 3 iirc.
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He was unlucky to not be picked as a batsman. Although Bell came back at 3 in 2015, I still don't think we've filled that role adequately since Trott retired.
 
The Breen Machine said:
He was unlucky to not be picked as a batsman. Although Bell came back at 3 in 2015, I still don't think we've filled that role adequately since Trott retired.
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Yeah he was defs unlucky but it was Tom Westley that ultimately got the nod over Scott in 2017, that was when his name was most heavily linked to England. I was angry at the time about it so I recall it well.

Between Trott retiring and Westley getting the gig we had Ballance, Bell and Root doing it.
 
mackembhoy said:
Yeah he was defs unlucky but it was Tom Westley that ultimately got the nod over Scott in 2017, that was when his name was most heavily linked to England. I was angry at the time about it so I recall it well.

Between Trott retiring and Westley getting the gig we had Ballance, Bell and Root doing it.
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Westley is a decent cricketer, I actually thought he would do better than he did. The move to Surrey completely ruined Bothwick's England chances when he should have been in his prime.
 
mackembhoy said:
You've got your dates muddled up there mind.

Borthwick debuted as a bowler in the same Ashes that Trott retired in. Then Ballance got the gig at 3 afterwards.

Was more 2014-2016 where he smashed it at 3 with bat and then Tom Westley got the nod of Scotty instead when Ballance fell apart.

2013 was the start of Scotty batting at 3 iirc.
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Entirely possible im muddled but when borthwick did get his test nod it was as a spinner, however he was already a very successful #3 batsman at that point wasn't he?

My point was if trott had never existed he may have got opportunities before that as a 3 not an 8/9.

Like i say, i may still be muddled haha
 
The Breen Machine said:
Westley is a decent cricketer, I actually thought he would do better than he did. The move to Surrey completely ruined Bothwick's England chances when he should have been in his prime.
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Bad move for him cricket wise really was

he should have got a go Scotty snd I’m convinced he’d have done OK, he has the character for it
Twisted said:
Entirely possible im muddled but when borthwick did get his test nod it was as a spinner, however he was already a very successful #3 batsman at that point wasn't he?

My point was if trott had never existed he may have got opportunities before that as a 3 not an 8/9.

Like i say, i may still be muddled haha
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No not at that stage, he was getting better but they still saw him as a spinner

The swan thing that he gets lots of stick for (even though he was literally injured snd couldnt play) was partly as he rated him so much as a bowler

Be could have been a proper all rounder I think, surrey absolutely killed his bowling
 
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MustardAndOnions said:
Bad move for him cricket wise really was

he should have got a go Scotty snd I’m convinced he’d have done OK, he has the character for it


No not at that stage, he was getting better but they still saw him as a spinner

The swan thing that he gets lots of stick for (even though he was literally injured snd couldnt play) was partly as he rated him so much as a bowler

Be could have been a proper all rounder I think, surrey absolutely killed his bowling
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I think we had already started to kill it tbh, he could barely get a bowl at times in the championship in the early 2010's and gradually moved into the number 3 spot. I remember being hugely frustrated at how little they trusted him with the ball as he had so much potential and backers like Warne and Swann.
 
The Breen Machine said:
I think we had already started to kill it tbh, he could barely get a bowl at times in the championship in the early 2010's and gradually moved into the number 3 spot. I remember being hugely frustrated at how little they trusted him with the ball as he had so much potential and backers like Warne and Swann.
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He was still our main spin bowler in white ball cricket though

He did still bowl fair bit in red ball I’m sure

It seems strange now that he just doesn’t bowl when he’s not that old snd was an actual spinner!
 
MustardAndOnions said:
He was still our main spin bowler in white ball cricket though

He did still bowl fair bit in red ball I’m sure

It seems strange now that he just doesn’t bowl when he’s not that old snd was an actual spinner!
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Yeah he did get more opportunities in white ball cricket, mainly T20 but I recall getting quite pissed off he didn't seem to be trusted in championship games. I might be over-egging it but I'm sure he just gradually phased out
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Bad move for him cricket wise really was

he should have got a go Scotty snd I’m convinced he’d have done OK, he has the character for it


No not at that stage, he was getting better but they still saw him as a spinner

The swan thing that he gets lots of stick for (even though he was literally injured snd couldnt play) was partly as he rated him so much as a bowler

Be could have been a proper all rounder I think, surrey absolutely killed his bowling
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His spin bowling for Surrey was absolutely f***ing dogshit. That's all there is to it. Great lad, poor cricketer. Comparing him to Swann and Warne man :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
mackembhoy said:
Rehan hasn't done much this season so far. So far really doesn't bode well for England from a spinner perspective.

I'd be sending selectors to look at Farhan every week. Carson might be a shout at Sussex.

Leach or Dawson would be nee good in Australia lets be honest so got to look at someone different.
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Rehan opened the batting last i saw
 
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