New Zealand v England 3rd test Hamilton

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Better than Root having Wood bowl in the Ashes when Australia were setting up a declaration.

Do you reckon privately Mccullum is having a go at the lads? Because the whole team ethos has been about putting pressure on the opposition and playing the situation, yet with only 6 overs to play out Duckett gets out with a hack.

Crawley finishes the series with the lowest average for an England opener of all time to have played 6 innings or more.

Hope Bethell, Root and Brook all get big scores and take it to day 5, but expecting it to be over before 1am tonight.

Think it depends on how the Ashes goes, Kallis pretty much stopped bowling in the last few years of his career, can see Stokes finishing with bowling in the next year, then it's about his batting (33 won't cut it, but if he gets back to 40+)

I think it's just one of the problems this England team has, they will lose their heads and the game situation goes out of the window. If you look at the games England have lost in the last 12-18 months, they aren't narrow defeats, they get completely hammered. It's the biggest concern about the Ashes next year, once they are put under a bit of pressure there's quite a few of them who will just crumble.

 

[Aidan11]

Need a lot of rain now to save this.

 

[CissesUnderpants9]

It's not been going well with this test.

 

[Boinger]

Bethell, Root & Brook score 600+ to secure a 5 wkt win.





Or not.

 

[mackembhoy]

It is still a very good win, to win a series against a very good New Zealand side.

I think we struggle against spin in alien conditions, it was the only way Pakistan could of beat us was to produce them wickets in them final two test matches where spinners were opening the bowling.

We simply having got the quality of spinners ourselves to compete when it’s like that.

Pakistan are a average side I agree but when it becomes a spinner contest they better

I don't think a single New Zealand fan would call themselves a very good side.

I post on a cricket forum with a lot of NZ posters. A miracle in India aside they've been terrible in this WTC. They hate their coach and have wanted half the side replaced for a while.

A terrible toss decision and we pretty much gave up by the end of day 1. 2025 is a new year and we've got to be a lot better to win the two big series we have.

The first two tests papered over the fact the Kiwis are actually a world class side.

We just haven't turned up, and got steam rollered.

Watch us chase 500 or something 4th innings now.

Again another one confusing them with the side they were in 2021!

 

[Voice of fair play]

I don't think a single New Zealand fan would call themselves a very good side.

I post on a cricket forum with a lot of NZ posters. A miracle in India aside they've been terrible in this WTC. They hate their coach and have wanted half the side replaced for a while.

A terrible toss decision and we pretty much gave up by the end of day 1. 2025 is a new year and we've got to be a lot better to win the two big series we have.

Again another one confusing them with the side they were in 2021!

Not sure that a barometer mate, as seems our fans want players replaced and critcise the coach mentioning too much golf despite us been a good side

In all seriousness though I think looking at their side before the series unable to find a place in the side for Will Young despite his performances in India imo there looked a good side.

The wider point that the post was made in context with was 2-1 in New Zealand is a good result, not sure that should be disputed.

But yes the toss was a terrible decision and been very poor in this test match but bigger picture again is we have won the series away from home against a good side imo

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Not sure that a barometer mate, as seems our fans want players replaced and critcise the coach mentioning too much golf despite us been a good side

In all seriousness though I think looking at their side before the series unable to find a place in the side for Will Young despite his performances in India imo there looked a good side.

The wider point that the post was made in context with was 2-1 in New Zealand is a good result, not sure that should be disputed.

But yes the toss was a terrible decision and been very poor in this test match but bigger picture again is we have won the series away from home against a good side imo

Will Young averages 30.03 in tests, that’s less than Crawley. People are making out he’s Brian Lara

 

[Voice of fair play]

Will Young averages 30.03 in tests, that’s less than Crawley. People are making out he’s Brian Lara

Or yeah fair enough, but he was in form and performed well in India.

I know Ian Smith was saying in podcast I listened to a lot were very surprised he was dropped after that showing

 

[Parkside]

Not sure that a barometer mate, as seems our fans want players replaced and critcise the coach mentioning too much golf despite us been a good side

In all seriousness though I think looking at their side before the series unable to find a place in the side for Will Young despite his performances in India imo there looked a good side.

The wider point that the post was made in context with was 2-1 in New Zealand is a good result, not sure that should be disputed.

But yes the toss was a terrible decision and been very poor in this test match but bigger picture again is we have won the series away from home against a good side imo

That was an abject display in both batting and bowling. It happens too often and hints at a lack of professionalism regardless of previous stellar performances.

 

[Voice of fair play]

That was an abject display in both batting and bowling. It happens too often and hints at a lack of professionalism regardless of previous stellar performances.

Nobody saying anything else mate.

My point been when a team has a bad performance, it’s good to look at things in perspective and the bigger picture than overreact to one or two bad performances.

This team has just won a series away from home against a team that were favorites to beat them and had just won 3-0 in India,

One poster quoted before this series said this ‘ New Zealand team look a solid test team and should be more than enough for our hunch picks and white ball sloggers’

Despite our agreed very bad performance in this test we have won the series and that should be celebrated, it’s hard to do that when feelings are raw after such a terrible test performance in this test but it’s been a good series result.

As a poster said earlier we will not be the first or last side to lose a test match once series wrapped up.

 

[Parkside]

Nobody saying anything else mate.

My point been when a team has a bad performance, it’s good to look at things in perspective and the bigger picture than overreact to one or two bad performances.

This team has just won a series away from home against a team that were favorites to beat them and had just won 3-0 in India,

One poster quoted before this series said this ‘ New Zealand team look a solid test team and should be more than enough for our hunch picks and white ball sloggers’

Despite our agreed very bad performance in this test we have won the series and that should be celebrated, it’s hard to do that when feelings are raw after such a terrible test performance in this test but it’s been a good series result.

As a poster said earlier we will not be the first or last side to lose a test match once series wrapped up.

It's not an over -reaction. It's happened several times. Clear evidence of a lack of focus and hence professionalism. That's a serious flaw and fully deserving of the strongest criticism. Obviously I expect higher standards than you do from supposedly elite and very well paid professionals.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Or yeah fair enough, but he was in form and performed well in India.

I know Ian Smith was saying in podcast I listened to a lot were very surprised he was dropped after that showing

I mean, he made 2 50s.

It’s hardly breaking records.

He’s a decent bat, but let’s not make him something he’s not. There’s a reason he’s played only 20 tests aged 32,

 

[Voice of fair play]

I mean, he made 2 50s.

It’s hardly breaking records.

He’s a decent bat, but let’s not make him something he’s not. There’s a reason he’s played only 20 tests aged 32,

Yeah as said mate fair point, podcasts I was listening to said plenty in New Zealand was disappointing he wasn’t picked by you right his overall record far from brilliant

It's not an over -reaction. It's happened several times. Clear evidence of a lack of focus and hence professionalism. That's a serious flaw and fully deserving of the strongest criticism. Obviously I expect higher standards than you do from supposedly elite and very well paid professionals.

I just in football, cricket amongst other sports look at overall performances and bigger picture.

Didn’t really like some of the overreactions to some off Sunderlands performances on pure football when they went on a little bit of run not winning games preferring to focus on overall performances this season

 

[Provider]

It's not an over -reaction. It's happened several times. Clear evidence of a lack of focus and hence professionalism. That's a serious flaw and fully deserving of the strongest criticism. Obviously I expect higher standards than you do from supposedly elite and very well paid professionals.

I don't think there's much point in debating with @Voice of fair play . He views sport very differently to 99% of this country. He doesn't support individual teams and views sport from a perspective of wanting the most entertaining product possible where the winner doesn't matter rather than following a team and wanting them to win at all costs.

It's not wrong but it just means that all debates with him go around in the same circles every time.

 

[Parkside]

I just in football, cricket amongst other sports look at overall performances and bigger picture.

Didn’t really like some of the overreactions to some off Sunderlands performances on pure football when they went on a little bit of run not winning games preferring to focus on overall performances this season

I am fully aware of the bigger picture rather condescending to imply that I'm not. A clear lack of focus is unacceptable and a serious concern regardless of past performances.Over reactions to SAFC performances are wholly irrelevant to the situation under discussion.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I am fully aware of the bigger picture rather condescending to imply that I'm not. A clear lack of focus is unacceptable and a serious concern regardless of past performances.Over reactions to SAFC performances are wholly irrelevant to the situation under discussion.

I never said you were not aware of the bigger picture so wasnt condescending in the slightest.

I was saying that’s how I look at things and the Sunderland point was a example of that.

I also tend when looking at the nation I support England be it football or cricket to look more at positives than negatives.

And simply saying while accepting the very bad bad performance in this test match there is more positives than negatives in this test series as we won away from home.

I think that fair enough but then I would

 

[Parkside]

I don't think there's much point in debating with @Voice of fair play . He views sport very differently to 99% of this country. He doesn't support individual teams and views sport from a perspective of wanting the most entertaining product possible where the winner doesn't matter rather than following a team and wanting them to win at all costs.

It's not wrong but it just means that all debates with him go around in the same circles every time.

True but it's the rather arrogant and condescending attitude to those who make perfectly valid criticism.

 

[Voice of fair play]

I don't think there's much point in debating with @Voice of fair play . He views sport very differently to 99% of this country. He doesn't support individual teams and views sport from a perspective of wanting the most entertaining product possible where the winner doesn't matter rather than following a team and wanting them to win at all costs.

It's not wrong but it just means that all debates with him go around in the same circles every time.

I think that’s fair enough up to a point mate.

I certainly think sport should be entertaining and top international very well paid sportsman have a duty to entertain and set a good example of how sport should be played hard but fair.

And the sport always bigger than the team

That certainly my philosophy.

And have been crying out for years and years for our test cricket team to be more entertaining and positive, therefore perhaps I am too biased in the praise I give them because of that?

But I do think certain fans of sporting teams whether it Sunderland football, England football, England cricket love to moan at times and focus more on bad performances and negative performances than the good ones even when a lot more good ones!!!!

Some are passionate and some just love to moan

That fair enough it maybe their personality but it’s not mine

 

[Silly Point]

Good to see my pre series comments made such an impression VOFP

Let's not forget either that we were very lucky that NZ seemed to have apparently gone out to field with lurpak all over their hands in the first Test. Could have been looking at a very similar Test to this one

 

[Voice of fair play]

Good to see my pre series comments made such an impression VOFP

Let's not forget either that we were very lucky that NZ seemed to have apparently gone out to field with lurpak all over their hands in the first Test. Could have been looking at a very similar Test to this one

Just pleased it wasn’t our team with lurpak all over their hands.

You may have combusted in your criticism then