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Parkside said:
if the above are responses to my post, ,Sorry, but I can't make any sense of them.
I've nothing more to add on the issue.
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It’s pretty straight forward

Giving Buttler no credit for the win for praising someone who had absolutely nothing to do with it

Assuming you’ll be blaming Morgan for this tournament if we don’t win
 

Provider said:
I'm not sure what relevance actually being on the tour has on giving on opinion on our performance to be honest mate.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "bat like them against their bowlers".

Many of the shots were reckless and needless in my opinion.

I've never been a huge fan of this "Bazball" or the way in which this regime go about selecting the team. Admittedly this made me look stupid for a long time but I still think it's an approach that will always fall short against the real top class teams.

A bit more composure and a bit of a more measured approach and the series in India would have been a lot closer.
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The ‘Bazball’ approach has fundamentally changed the whole culture of the English side, from one that played with fear and were frightened to play shots for fear of failure to one that has allowed them to flourish and be themselves and by confident in their play as they know they have the backing of the management.

Under the previous regime we turned down chasing 277 of 77 overs against New Zealand that was unforgivable and totally the wrong message

In any sport at the top level to get players relaxed and play their natural game when the pressure is on is a rare feat it’s the total opposite with the current England football side who are shit scared to make a mistake.

McCullum has done that deserves massive massive credit for that turnaround in both results and culture.

Sure they have been some occasions where they have gone too hard and should have been more measured but it totally confuses me looking at the bigger picture how anyone taking all into account is not a fan of Bazball.
 
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Pressure on the test side this summer

Is it too much to expect all wins, if the weather is fine ?

T20 can be a ball or one over the difference so defeat is expected

I’m surprised that 50 overs has not been shelved to open space in the circuit
 
Silly Point said:
You're going on like a Yorkie yourself. Won't accept anyone disagreeing
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Sorry but you are just coming across as miserable and entitled.

I dont know you, but that is how you are coming across

You say "India wouldnt accept this"

Well they've accepted over 10 years or someit without a trophy actually mate, so they have.
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Sorry but you are just coming across as miserable and entitled.

I dont know you, but that is how you are coming across

You say "India wouldnt accept this"

Well they've accepted over 10 years or someit without a trophy actually mate, so they have.
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Their fans certainly don't. One look at social media after they lose tells you that.

If india had a tournament like we had last year, I reckon coach, captain and a fair few players would have been moved on
 
Voice of fair play said:
The ‘Bazball’ approach has fundamentally changed the whole culture of the English side, from one that played with fear and were frightened to play shots for fear of failure to one that has allowed them to flourish and be themselves and by confident in their play as they know they have the backing of the management.

Under the previous regime we turned down chasing 277 of 77 overs against New Zealand that was unforgivable and totally the wrong message

In any sport at the top level to get players relaxed and play their natural game when the pressure is on is a rare feat it’s the total opposite with the current England football side who are shit scared to make a mistake.

McCullum has done that deserves massive massive credit for that turnaround in both results and culture.

Sure they have been some occasions where they have gone too hard and should have been more measured but it totally confuses me looking at the bigger picture how anyone taking all into account is not a fan of Bazball.
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I just think it's too extreme and promotes a no responsibility culture.

I'm all for positive attacking cricket but things like declaring on 393/8 on day one of the first Ashes test, seeing draws equivalent or even worse than defeats and Ben Stokes' batting for the first 18 months of his captaincy are all highly questionable IMO and far too extreme.

There has been some great cricket played under this regime but I think it's always going to fall short against the real high class opposition.
 
Provider said:
I just think it's too extreme and promotes a no responsibility culture.

I'm all for positive attacking cricket but things like declaring on 393/8 on day one of the first Ashes test, seeing draws equivalent or even worse than defeats and Ben Stokes' batting for the first 18 months of his captaincy are all highly questionable IMO and far too extreme.

There has been some great cricket played under this regime but I think it's always going to fall short against the real high class opposition.
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Yeah I get your point and there is always a balance to hopefully be achieved between the two of course there is.

But we were doing worse with roughly the same players playing more measured.

Plus as I said it’s not only about been attacking.

It’s about empowering and trusting players rather than making them feel frightened to express themselves.

For me for any management culture that is the way to go to get the best out of a group
When any sportsman feels unable to be themselves and take risks it means imo you do not get the best out of them.

Said it a few times now but think this is what happening with our football team
 
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Provider said:
I just think it's too extreme and promotes a no responsibility culture.

I'm all for positive attacking cricket but things like declaring on 393/8 on day one of the first Ashes test, seeing draws equivalent or even worse than defeats and Ben Stokes' batting for the first 18 months of his captaincy are all highly questionable IMO and far too extreme.

There has been some great cricket played under this regime but I think it's always going to fall short against the real high class opposition.
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Bazball summed up perfectly in that 1st sentence. Real test is coming this season with several replacements required in key positions.
 
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