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VAR has ruined top level football.


Voice of fair play said:
It’s all concerned faults it’s here in the first place.

If everybody fans, players, managers, media every fucker just accepted in real time that refs mistakes were part and parcel of the game in the same way players mistakes are, they would have been no need for VAR.

Fact is they didn’t they twisted every f***ing week, complained about everything and because of that we now have VAR.

No sympathy in the slightest for the people pissed off with VAR.
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I never ever wanted var in the first place and still absolutely hate it (though it was funny yesterday).
 
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lucky said:
To have it at a match or something £18,000 per match am sure they said it on some match I was watching mate.
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Pounds?
I would have thought it vastly more with the need for all that tech and stockly park.
I wonder if var officials do more than one game. When they messed up a few months ago there were 3 voices on the Audio . I would have thought that var isn’t cheap
 
redandwhiterob said:
If var wasn't it and the Coventry goal was given even though it was offside people would be going absolutely spare about it
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People will moan about decisions until the end of time.

The counter argument for offsides would be that until we have technology that is 100% reliable for every offside call and works quickly, we can't use it.

I think, if they took a step back, the vast majority of fans would accept that.

The current system is hanging referees out to dry.
 
Offside could be so easily improved by making it 'clear and obvious', i.e. there needs to be space between the lines they draw.

Being offside by a centimetre and spending minutes checking it absolutely kills the emotion in the game and the atmosphere at most grounds is already getting worse.
 
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10 Trenches Deep said:
The problem is the sell it in that offside line as precision of millimeters but they cannot do that precision to the same level for the time the pass is played or connects to the ball, so it's a farce seeing goals like that called offside.
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100% this. There's also the small matter of the line seemingly being drawn over the man uniteds players toe.
 
dangermows said:
That would only work if linesmen were making decisions. Now they are just letting the play go and allowing VAR to look after instead.
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Another thing some don't know happens. This is why VAR is giving offside most of the time when a linesman has kept his flag down. Can anyone recall when a linesman has flagged and VAR corrected them? Some may recall the odd occasion but then compare that to the amount of offsides VAR has changed and given.
Edinburgh Black Cat said:
First I'd heard this was officially a rule.

Strange though because the images posted earlier in the thread look like the lines were touching in the coventry example.
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Aye they've purposely scaled the image down and blurred the lines. Next season is the fancy 3D graphics showing bodies etc with 2 views and showing the offside line as a wall. No doubt the focus will change to things like "He got a fat arse" or "He wears size 16 boots" or "He has arms like Schwarzenegger"' due to the fact they just use the same size bodies.
Edinburgh Black Cat said:
What this thread has established is that for the decision to be 100% correct:

1) the exact frame needs to be selected when the passer first touched the ball for the final time
2) the lines need to be drawn in the right place
3) the lines must not be touching

I've not seen clear evidence to say those 3 things have happened.

If it was a criminal case where the crime (offside) had to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt then you'd be looking at a not guilty verdict.

(And aside from all of that, the rules aren't fit for purpose. But that's a different debate)
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Regarding #1, when you take away the margin of error he was clearly offside when the ball was touched. He was even still offside when the ball was on the move (the 2nd frame) and probably offside in the next frame also.
Seasick Pete said:
Danny Murphy said earlier on MotD2 that VAR operates at 25 frames per second! Now that means absolutely nothing to me, but it would suggest that there is an inherent margin of error.
Bin it now!
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He's wrong and he often spouts shite as it's 50 frames per second and has far better quality images to work with that the crap that VAR actually show on the TV. The thing to consider here is that both feet were being looked at and both were planted in the frames before, during and after the ball was hit.

turtleiris said:
If VAR is to stay, and it more than likely is, then lines as thin as paper are no way to go.

Better, in my view, to fatten the lines significantly to allow for that degree of tolerance and benefit of the doubt. If there is clear daylight/pitch between the lines, you're offside. In other words, any overlap of the lines and you are not offside.
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Hendon Mad Frog said:
Offside could be so easily improved by making it 'clear and obvious', i.e. there needs to be space between the lines they draw.

Being offside by a centimetre and spending minutes checking it absolutely kills the emotion in the game and the atmosphere at most grounds is already getting worse.
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jcrossan said:
Trouble with margins of error is that there will then be calls right up against whatever the margin is.
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There is already a margin of error in favour of the attacker and it's the been in place since 2021/22 so pass on the word as it seems many still don't know this. Here's and earlier post in this thread explaining how it all works with an image also and another link to more examples lines.

VAR has ruined top level football.

If VAR has ruined top level football, what consequence is that for you in the lower leagues? Can you remind us how many trophies that beheddie has won despite spunking £350 million pounds ? How embarrassing is that ? No wonder he's being sacked end of the season.
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The other problem is people are still saying he was level or onside based on an image from a side angle. The human eye isn't good enough to sort this out but a computer that has been set up and calibrated with multiple cameras to create a 3D image. Even though it's a shitty quality image with colour blue, I'll hoy this up again. Look at the thickness of the lines when compared to the linesman near side compared to him. Not exactly 1mm or even a toenail is it?'

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Whichever way you look at it, it's still not clear and obvious when two thick lines are touching. We know the technology isn't 100% accurate either.

If they really wanted to deal with it and give an attacking advantage, just make sure there's grass between the lines and nobody would complain.

The big problem with VAR is that they try to overcomplicate everything and take minutes to make decisions. It'll be interesting to see how the semi-automatic offside technology works next season.
 
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cornish mackem said:
Pounds?
I would have thought it vastly more with the need for all that tech and stockly park.
I wonder if var officials do more than one game. When they messed up a few months ago there were 3 voices on the Audio . I would have thought that var isn’t cheap
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I'm sure it was the Rangers Celtic match when they drew 3-3 that it said on there mate and I thought it would be a lot more as well 👍 .
Would it have to be the club as well to fork out the money on a matchday as I have no idea ?
 
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palm 1 said:
Not really , you’re just saying something is correct because it’s your belief and that I have to accept it .
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Its obviously true though. If those lines hadnt been drawn, youd get a few saying "thats off that" and a few saying "looks level to me"

Some arguments but no real outrage
 
North Yorks Mackem said:
100% this. There's also the small matter of the line seemingly being drawn over the man uniteds players toe.
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Explained in thread earlier and it's simply down to the shitty graphic shown on TV and compression 'bleed' and someone not knowing about the vertical lines, even at foot level. Look at the quality of Bassaka's boot or the glow around his sock or the state if the right hand of the red line and just how the image is blurred. That's because it's a photo of a TV screen which itself has pixels that will 'bleed' into each other.

VAR has ruined top level football.

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Now look at an older VAR with more defined vertical lines and less blur.

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Yet zoom into that same image and even though the original is better quality, you see the same thing happen and if the boot of the blue player was at the blue line it would look like it was over his boot too.

 
Matnab said:
Eh? It's always been the case. Amazing how many people don't understand what completely over the line means.
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I understand perfectly well what it means, I just don't necessarily agree with it. It's never been scrutinised to the extent it is now. Goal line tech is clear - that's fair enough, but multiple angles to determine whether the ball is outta play? Ridiculous.
 
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