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VAR has ruined top level football.

Can you imagine if Man United scored the same goal and VAR didn’t overturn it?

All the talk would have been how the refs favour a big club and how Coventry would have deserved to get to penalties but were cheated.

People just wanted to see some giant killing\ Man U implosion. I have seen too many matches ruined by actually wrong decisions to care because of one harsh but probably correct decision
 

Matnab said:
Nobody would've cared less if it had been Man Utd on the end of that decision getting a last minute winner disallowed. It's just another example of fans finding fault with officiating when it doesn't suit their preferred outcome.
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It's ruining the game. Couldn't give a fuck about some lines on a screen and his toenail being offside..it's ruining it
 
Matnab said:
Nobody would've cared less if it had been Man Utd on the end of that decision getting a last minute winner disallowed. It's just another example of fans finding fault with officiating when it doesn't suit their preferred outcome.
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There’s two different discussions in this thread really.

Firstly, whether it was the right decision - we are not going to agree on that one.

Secondly, regardless of whether they got the call right, does VAR ruin the “magic” of football. Again, we may not agree, depending on which team you were supporting, but I’d argue that when an underdog team comes back from 3-0 down to score 4 in the last seconds of extra time, and that fourth goal is “not an obvious mistake” then yes, VAR absolutely takes away the magic of the game.

It’s meant to be for obvious howlers. The Maradona handball. Gary MacAllister’s penalty at the SOL the diving twat. Thierry Henry handling against Ireland. That kind of stuff.
 
Sporty said:
He was offside and it wasn't even as close as some believe. Images on Twitter show what it would look like without the lines and I waffled on about it 2 pages ago.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/var-has-ruined-top-level-football.1632082/page-5#post-40539049



There is an error of margin yet some still don't even know about it yet this is the 3rd season it's been in use. Some also can't grasp that lines on a TV screen aren't the same scale as real life and make it look closer. Yet look at the linesman closeup in the link about or the examples I show in this old post below

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threa...orts-ultra-hdr-⚽️.1616367/page-7#post-3915857
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Rewind the footage by 0.2 seconds and he's onside

People defending var are absolute creeps. Totally soulless spotty freaks .. virgins every single one of them
 
Devastated. Robbed football of one of the greatest moments in the competition's history.

A 50/50 decision given because they've drawn the line over the United player's foot.
 
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Matnab said:
Nobody would've cared less if it had been Man Utd on the end of that decision getting a last minute winner disallowed. It's just another example of fans finding fault with officiating when it doesn't suit their preferred outcome.
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Or just dislike/hate VAR that it blinds them when you see decisions like this. I think it's shite the way it's implemented but at least next season offsides will be semi-automated but that still leaves the problem with Clear & Obvious allowing for more varied inconsistency.

HellsBells said:
There are split opinions between us on this thread over whether it was on or off. Two hours after the game and with the benefit of a photo and some lines.

If you think that’s “clearly offside” then I respectfully disagree.
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2 hours is just people debating it, whereas it was quite quickly decided he was offside. It's just the thicker lines from VAR (to give the attacker an advantage, which some people don't even know about judging by this thread) that make it harder to see the gap on a TV.

This is why I said focus on the linesman to see just how much the lines add to the advantage as they're as thick as his leg as explained in my earlier post. It was this image, whereas the image that shows just a thin line to give a better viewing perspective clearly shows he was offside and it was more than a toenail like some have said.

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tunstallhill said:
Rewind the footage by 0.2 seconds and he's onside

People defending var are absolute creeps. Totally soulless spotty freaks .. virgins every single one of them
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0.2 seconds is about 6 frames of video and would be nowhere near the point the ball was kicked and that would change 100s of decisions a season alone. I'm not defending VAR, I just know it was offside so showed why but I know you don't like VAR so I'll leave it at that anyway.
 
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Behind Enemy Lines said:
VAR should only be used for decisions that are so obviously wrong that it takes 5 seconds to spot and over-turn. Any longer than that and it's obviously not a major error so you stick with the on-field decision. That's the only way out of this hole IMO.
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Agree with that, but offsides, whether the ball crossed the line are cut and shut decisions so can take longer depending on the competence of the operator.
But when it is a ref making a call on a foul or the like it has to be blatant, because regardless of whether VAR over rules or not people will still have different opinions on the decision.
Just look at this thread, he was off end of story and people are trying to say he wasn't off "enough" :lol:
Nelson! said:
The best interpretation used to be “daylight” between the players….sadly the swots and nerds have got their way and now we are watching more tech than football.
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Change the argument to "There was only a mm of daylight between them, shouldn't be off!"
 
zebediah said:
Agree with that, but offsides, whether the ball crossed the line are cut and shut decisions so can take longer depending on the competence of the operator.
But when it is a ref making a call on a foul or the like it has to be blatant, because regardless of whether VAR over rules or not people will still have different opinions on the decision.
Just look at this thread, he was off end of story and people are trying to say he wasn't off "enough" :lol:

Change the argument to "There was only a mm of daylight between them, shouldn't be off!"
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Depends if you want to watch a sport or armpit lines being scrutinised for 5 mins. I prefer my idea of giving them 5 seconds to spot an obvious mistake (this would rule out the blatant offsides that the linesman somehow misses), if it's not obvious to the naked eye then you stick with the onfield decision.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
VAR should only be used for decisions that are so obviously wrong that it takes 5 seconds to spot and over-turn. Any longer than that and it's obviously not a major error so you stick with the on-field decision. That's the only way out of this hole IMO.
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Have you thought for one second how that would play out in reality. It'd be absolute carnage. People bang on about consistency and then you offer something as loose as this? There'd be meltdowns on a weekly basis.
HellsBells said:
It’s meant to be for obvious howlers.
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Who decides on whether something is an obvious howler?
 
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Matnab said:
Have you thought for one second how that would play out in reality. It'd be absolute carnage. People bang on about consistency and then you offer something as loose as this? There'd be meltdowns on a weekly basis.
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Like the 100+ years before VAR? You win some, you lose some.

The beauty of football is the fluidity and the feeling of scoring a goal. VAR is taking that away, something needs to be done.
 
Matnab said:
Have you thought for one second how that would play out in reality. It'd be absolute carnage. People bang on about consistency and then you offer something as loose as this? There'd be meltdowns on a weekly basis.
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As opposed to…. This?

Forest literally publicly called the VAR a cheat yesterday.
Matnab said:
Who decides on whether something is an obvious howler?
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A time limit. If you can’t decide within 20 seconds, it’s not obvious.
 
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People just can't get there heads around people may have different opinions to them. You can put ten referees in a room, show them an incident and five may think one thing while the other five may think something else and all ten refs can be correct depending how they've seen the incident.
 
Behind Enemy Lines said:
Like the 100+ years before VAR? You win some, you lose some.

The beauty of football is the fluidity and the feeling of scoring a goal. VAR is taking that away, something needs to be done.
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The simple truth is that fans will whinge about everything anyway, it wasn't a world of contentment pre VAR, it's just the current bogeyman.
There is no reason that offsides shouldn't be instant using an automated system, all the VAR official would have to do is decide if they were interfering with play.
 
tunstallhill said:
Rewind the footage by 0.2 seconds and he's onside

People defending var are absolute creeps. Totally soulless spotty freaks .. virgins every single one of them
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This is exactly it for me.How do they know definitively, within a fraction of a second, exactly when the ball is kicked?...
 
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