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Onlyfoolsrushin said:
It was a foul to us just before therefore it wouldn't have been a red.
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If we’re taking VAR as it currently works in the Prem, it wouldn’t have reviewed the foul as it doesn’t look at routine fouls in open play. But even if it’s an incident that it could pull back play for, under the current VAR protocol, that doesn’t negate a subsequent red card if one is justified for violent conduct or a dangerous tackle. So if it was a red, which I’m not convinced about personally, it’s a red VAR can give regardless of the earlier foul.
bernardbresslaw said:
I don't agree re. offsides.
We get them decided by a fannys hair but there's no way of knowing when the exact moment the ball left the boot.
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There is if you use that World Cup system where the ball had an accelerometer in it to tell you, but the EPL is attached to jobs for the boys and prefers just to have a bloke guessing and drawing a line on a screen.
 
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Fleagle said:
If we’re taking VAR as it currently works in the Prem, it wouldn’t have reviewed the foul as it doesn’t look at routine fouls in open play. But even if it’s an incident that it could pull back play for, under the current VAR protocol, that doesn’t negate a subsequent red card if one is justified for violent conduct or a dangerous tackle. So if it was a red, which I’m not convinced about personally, it’s a red VAR can give regardless of the earlier foul.
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Its happened before when a red has been cancelled due to a prior foul. They can look at a close prior incident.
 
Fleagle said:
If we’re taking VAR as it currently works in the Prem, it wouldn’t have reviewed the foul as it doesn’t look at routine fouls in open play. But even if it’s an incident that it could pull back play for, under the current VAR protocol, that doesn’t negate a subsequent red card if one is justified for violent conduct or a dangerous tackle. So if it was a red, which I’m not convinced about personally, it’s a red VAR can give regardless of the earlier foul.

There is if you use that World Cup system where the ball had an accelerometer in it to tell you, but the EPL is attached to jobs for the boys and prefers just to have a bloke guessing and drawing a line on a screen.
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How can that prove the exact time it left the boot?
 
I was in favour of VAR before it was introduced, however the way the Premier League is running it, (compared to other sports )... they are making a right arse of it.
 
Onlyfoolsrushin said:
Its happened before when a red has been cancelled due to a prior foul. They can look at a close prior incident.
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For DOGSO red cards only

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bernardbresslaw said:
How can that prove the exact time it left the boot?
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Presumably, because it stops accelerating as soon as it longer being played as nothing is applying a force to it anymore. If you’re after the exact moment, you will be disappointed, but my understanding is that the sensor they used in the World Cup could get you to within 2 ms which is way more accurate than even a perfectly positioned assistant referee could possibly manage because our brains aren’t wired that quickly. The technology only needs to be better than the human to be worth using.
 
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Fleagle said:
For DOGSO red cards only

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Presumably, because it stops accelerating as soon as it longer being played as nothing is applying a force to it anymore. If you’re after the exact moment, you will be disappointed, but my understanding is that the sensor they used in the World Cup could get you to within 2 ms which is way more accurate than even a perfectly positioned assistant referee could possibly manage because our brains aren’t wired that quickly. The technology only needs to be better than the human to be worth using.
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This report says it's only accurate in 43% of instances?
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Redandwhitedust said:
All VAR has done is create more arguments and more accusations of corruption.

Prior to VAR fans by and large accepted that referees couldn't see everything, had to make a quick call, and mistakes would be made.

The argument for VAR was to eliminate mistakes, and yet continually it throws up baffling decisions. But because we expected it to clear things up and it hasn't, it adds nothing to the game.

But so much has been invested in it, its going nowhere. Just need to hope that it can be somehow simplified and made to work.

It's not working as it is
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With respect mate totally disagree with your second paragraph, fans didn’t accept mistakes before VAR,and they don’t now when decisions are made in real time without VAR in our games.

Nearly every week there is threads on here for our games where there isn’t VAR where them mistakes are not accepted
 
redandwhiterob said:
Impossible to get beat fair and Square nowadays. 24hr media and the need to cause outrage and fill airtime constantly looking to push blame about mainly into officials who are the easy targets
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How was varv suppose to get rid of interpretation?
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I suppose it depends on how your interpretation of the post and point he’s making is
 
AC Mack said:
Do you remember the threads on here going back five, ten and even 15 years? The voices against extra technology were massively drowned out by those in favour.

It was like banging your head against the wall explaining what it would be like.
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The thing is though is that it could work. I think the best way forward is to referee the big moments from a control room and have an expert panel making the decisions. Majority vote.
bernardbresslaw said:
I don't agree re. offsides.
We get them decided by a fannys hair but there's no way of knowing when the exact moment the ball left the boot.
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Its the best we've got though. Scientifically it can always be more precise but it's better than what we had before.
 
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AC Mack said:
Do you remember the threads on here going back five, ten and even 15 years? The voices against extra technology were massively drowned out by those in favour.

It was like banging your head against the wall explaining what it would be like.
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It tended to be those who sympathised with the officials who were against it iirc. I'm pretty sure if you read back the threads the same posters were forecasting the problems we are seeing now
 
redandwhiterob said:
Var was never pushed that it would solve the issue when it comes to fouls mind. People may have deluded themselves to think it was going to but ultimately it will always cause conjecture
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Surely it’s designed to improve every facet of what it’s used to resolve and they use it for fouls, goals, offsides and sucking the passion out of the game.
 
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