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ODI World Cup


Awful World Cup, it’s a shame, shouldn’t taint their legacy as double world champions tho

So much aggressive nonsense spoken about our one day greats mind. Especially about selection,

Absolutely the 100% right batting lineup

We didn’t play enough ODi cricket and thought it would be ok on the night, especially with a long format

However, we couldn’t fit in more one day cricket, we play more test stuff than anyone, 50% more than oz and 3rd more than India

We had a series in Bangladesh 1 day after a test series in NZ

People go for big Themes but reality is for me is cricket specifies, not grand themes…..root averaging 5 in power play, when has that ever happened? Never. I’ve never seen root out or form.

But also Buttler and mott. So annoyed that it’s been excused over. Buttler just hasn’t got it, he just loses faith, you can see it in his eyes

As soon as he put SA into bat in Mumbai, England were done

I’m sick of hearing about “intent” and “way we play” from Morgan on comms. Utter nonsense. It’s tactics, belief, captaincy and leadership

I know Buttler won t20 World Cup and basically 50 over cricket does not exist now. My one source says the champs trophy will be 100% t20 ….but you can’t have a captain be that bad and keep his position

He’s responsible. I agree that mott is useless but Buttler is driving it

I was in India for a few games and he just was gone. Get him f***ing sacked man
 
MustardAndOnions said:
Awful World Cup, it’s a shame, shouldn’t taint their legacy as double world champions tho

So much aggressive nonsense spoken about our one day greats mind. Especially about selection,

Absolutely the 100% right batting lineup

We didn’t play enough ODi cricket and thought it would be ok on the night, especially with a long format

However, we couldn’t fit in more one day cricket, we play more test stuff than anyone, 50% more than oz and 3rd more than India

We had a series in Bangladesh 1 day after a test series in NZ

People go for big Themes but reality is for me is cricket specifies, not grand themes…..root averaging 5 in power play, when has that ever happened? Never. I’ve never seen root out or form.

But also Buttler and mott. So annoyed that it’s been excused over. Buttler just hasn’t got it, he just loses faith, you can see it in his eyes

As soon as he put SA into bat in Mumbai, England were done

I’m sick of hearing about “intent” and “way we play” from Morgan on comms. Utter nonsense. It’s tactics, belief, captaincy and leadership

I know Buttler won t20 World Cup and basically 50 over cricket does not exist now. My one source says the champs trophy will be 100% t20 ….but you can’t have a captain be that bad and keep his position

He’s responsible. I agree that mott is useless but Buttler is driving it

I was in India for a few games and he just was gone. Get him f***ing sacked man
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I hope you mean just from been captain which I suspect you do?

As Buttler still a world class batsman one terrible tournament doesn’t change that.

Also senior players have to take responsibility for massively underperforming on the biggest stage, most of them have been capable for a number of years and should also not be excused for their own performances, it can’t all be down to Buttler, although do agree with a lot of what you have said.

Having said that taking the captain away from him could be the best thing to get our best player performing again so may not be a bad thing.
 
Voice of fair play said:
I hope you mean just from been captain which I suspect you do?

As Buttler still a world class batsman one terrible tournament doesn’t change that.

Also senior players have to take responsibility for massively underperforming on the biggest stage, most of them have been capable for a number of years and should also not be excused for their own performances, it can’t all be down to Buttler, although do agree with a lot of what you have said.

Having said that taking the captain away from him could be the best thing to get our best player performing again so may not be a bad thing.
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Buttler is capable of very destructive innings but is far too inconsistent to be called world class. Statistics don't lie over the number of winning he's played.
 
Parkside said:
Buttler is capable of very destructive innings but is far too inconsistent to be called world class. Statistics don't lie over the number of winning he's played.
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His form has dipped no doubt, but he is arguably our best white ball cricketer ever.

He is clearly a match winner and many a times has been called a freak talent by his peers such is or was the respect he was held in.

Until this tournament was always incredibly calm under pressure especially when chasing.

When his career is finished he will be remembered as a brilliant limited over cricketer

In the position he bats, stats don’t always tell a full story.

Many of his innings batting at 6 going for quick runs at back end of innings, stats inevitably take a hit, it’s very rare if ever bit hitters at middle to lower order of teams have brilliant stats on paper or be super consistent as often they batting for the team not themselves, Buttler certainly in that criteria.

Buttler has been a brilliant cricketer, that is no doubt imo.

It should not be underestimated the part he played in the World Cup final or indeed how he was at the forefront of our complete turnaround in that format over a number of years.

He was also along with Hales simply brilliant destroying a very good India side in the semi finals of the T20 World Cup.

Some of his innings have been simply breathtaking and have not got the stats at hand but sure he has something like 5 or 6 of the top 10 fastest hundreds by an England player in 50 over cricket.

Guess the question now is whether this absolutely car crash of a tournament for him personally and the team has left too much of a mark on him and dented his confidence too much.

I sincerely hope not.
 
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Aidan11 said:
I'd prefer both sides to lose but I suppose I'd rather India won than the Aussies. Hopefully Kohli will get a golden duck.
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Probably where I am. It is the Aussies after all. India’s financial dominance is in danger of making it all a bit tedious. Like it’d be tedious if Man City won all three domestic trophies. Not tedious enough for me to be pleased the Mags knocked them out of the league cup though.
Voice of fair play said:
I hope you mean just from been captain which I suspect you do?

As Buttler still a world class batsman one terrible tournament doesn’t change that.
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Buttler certainly was a world class bat and one tournament doesn’t itself change that. But no one remains world class for ever. In the long run we are all dead, and we can’t bat for toffee then.

I hope this is a blip, and I wouldn’t write him off especially for T20, but it has at least a beginning of the end feel for him as for so many others.
 
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Fleagle said:
Probably where I am. It is the Aussies after all. India’s financial dominance is in danger of making it all a bit tedious. Like it’d be tedious if Man City won all three domestic trophies. Not tedious enough for me to be pleased the Mags knocked them out of the league cup though.


Buttler certainly was a world class bat and one tournament doesn’t itself change that. But no one remains world class for ever. In the long run we are all dead, and we can’t bat for toffee then.

I hope this is a blip, and I wouldn’t write him off especially for T20, but it has at least a beginning of the end feel for him as for so many others.
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Yeah that is definitely a concern that it is the start of his decline, but I hope like your say it's just a blip.

Guess time will tell.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Yeah that is definitely a concern that it is the start of his decline, but I hope like your say it's just a blip.

Guess time will tell.
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Buttler's batting average in the IPL and vitality blast in 2023 were good but not exceptional. There were 42 players with a better batting average than Buttler in both the blast and IPL last year. If we were picking on form then he wouldnt have been at this world cup or for the upcoming ODIs and T20 series. But that applies to pretty much our entire batting line up.
 
Turner the Cat said:
Buttler's batting average in the IPL and vitality blast in 2023 were good but not exceptional. There were 42 players with a better batting average than Buttler in both the blast and IPL last year. If we were picking on form then he wouldnt have been at this world cup or for the upcoming ODIs and T20 series. But that applies to pretty much our entire batting line up.
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Buttler is a shoe in for any T20 team involving England dont care what any averages say.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Buttler is a shoe in for any T20 team involving England dont care what any averages say.
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There's no question I would have taken him to the World Cup as his recorded before 2023 was exceptional but 2023 was not and his performance at the World Cup both as captain and batter was woeful. He shouldnt have a free pass forever because he used to be brilliant. Hopefully his form will improve but if it doesnt then there are currently lots of English batsmen performing better who should be considered.
 
Turner the Cat said:
There's no question I would have taken him to the World Cup as his recorded before 2023 was exceptional but 2023 was not and his performance at the World Cup both as captain and batter was woeful. He shouldnt have a free pass forever because he used to be brilliant. Hopefully his form will improve but if it doesnt then there are currently lots of English batsmen performing better who should be considered.
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Yeah guess it’s the balance between the two, think Buttler has more than enough in the bank to be preserved with personally.

Even people like Kholi went through a lean period for a year not soo long ago and has come out the other side of that.

Not for one second comparing the two just making the point sometimes you keep faith with quality players

Sometimes form temporary class permanent
 
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chopsfc007 said:
Why wouldn't you want any advantage possible
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If they want to do it that way, the easy way, then fair enough. Will taint their achievement though. That's without mentioning the fact it wouldn't happen anywhere else. The ICC would refuse and ask the home groundsmen to produce the best, fairest wicket possible
 
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