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I think because they know I’m so much more independent I’ve always just been left to crack on. And to be honest I do prefer that. But i always thought once we both got older it would start to even out as we’d both moved out etc.

I think my brother does know it’s not right, but on the other hand he probably worries if they spend less time with him he’ll be lonely. So he just quietly allows it to continue.

My partner keeps telling me to just take a step back and wait for them to bother with me, but I don’t want my kids to stop seeing their grandparents. So it’s difficult.

It doesn’t really upset me. When I heard they were going away I didn’t really wish I was going. I just got annoyed at the fact the options was never there for me.
Good advice from your partner there. Facilitate ongoing relationship between kids and grandparents but for your own sanity step back and don't expect too much for yourself. That's what I'd do (ha ha laughing cos easier said than done)
 

I think because they know I’m so much more independent I’ve always just been left to crack on. And to be honest I do prefer that. But i always thought once we both got older it would start to even out as we’d both moved out etc.

I think my brother does know it’s not right, but on the other hand he probably worries if they spend less time with him he’ll be lonely. So he just quietly allows it to continue.

My partner keeps telling me to just take a step back and wait for them to bother with me, but I don’t want my kids to stop seeing their grandparents. So it’s difficult.

It doesn’t really upset me. When I heard they were going away I didn’t really wish I was going. I just got annoyed at the fact the options was never there for me.
I don't know if this will be a helpful comment or not but from the outside I can tell you I'd much rather have your life than his. You're entirely right to feel aggrieved by the double standards but it sounds as though your brother probably has a very small, empty life that I wouldn't wish for myself.
 
Does anyone else go through spells of borderline self destruction where you get into spells/mindsets/situations which completely consume you and you stop thinking and behaving logically?
Yes too

20 mins ago I left the house and walking down the street, thought eeh heck, I haven't ballsed anything up in a while

As if part of me thought something isn't right here like

Irrational
 
Yes too

20 mins ago I left the house and walking down the street, thought eeh heck, I haven't ballsed anything up in a while

As if part of me thought something isn't right here like

Irrational
Took a wee time to think about this.

Why do you think you always balls things up? Presumably the truth is you don't, but you just don't see it. There will be loads of stuff you do well or are just getting on with but all your focus will always be on the "look what I did wrong"

It's funny what we keep hold of (the bad) and what we let slide over us (the good).
You have to try and find a way to reverse that, so you will be walking down the street thinking eh heck I did well there. Don't know how to do it mind but you must try and find a way.
 
Took a wee time to think about this.

Why do you think you always balls things up? Presumably the truth is you don't, but you just don't see it. There will be loads of stuff you do well or are just getting on with but all your focus will always be on the "look what I did wrong"

It's funny what we keep hold of (the bad) and what we let slide over us (the good).
You have to try and find a way to reverse that, so you will be walking down the street thinking eh heck I did well there. Don't know how to do it mind but you must try and find a way.
Dunno about anyone else but I think it's hard wired from childhood

If you're told you're not good at anything, don't deserve much, achievements not recognised and reinforced, and mistakes catastrophised because you're not up much

...it becomes a bit, well I might as well just screw up as it's expected

You're right, we do cling onto the bad

Got two potential counselling routes and pondering exploring some of this stuff there plus talking changes at some point (don't expect much from that like)

Anyway, dunno about anyone who else
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*Anyone else who might think the same ways
 
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Dunno about anyone else but I think it's hard wired from childhood

If you're told you're not good at anything, don't deserve much, achievements not recognised and reinforced, and mistakes catastrophised because you're not up much

...it becomes a bit, well I might as well just screw up as it's expected

You're right, we do cling onto the bad

Got two potential counselling routes and pondering exploring some of this stuff there plus talking changes at some point (don't expect much from that like)

Anyway, dunno about anyone who else
Humans cling to their past (good & bad) so any "criticism" remains within our outlook and I think bad memories take precedence over better ones which leads to thinking about making a mess of things. Which isn't going to happen, but for some reason(s) people are self-convinced it will. Which inevitably takes us back to the cycle that needs to be escaped from.

You may pick up one or two beneficial things from the counselling. As you know, having a positive mentality is a main life-point so you can work on that by dismissing negatives thoughts.
 
Dunno about anyone else but I think it's hard wired from childhood

If you're told you're not good at anything, don't deserve much, achievements not recognised and reinforced, and mistakes catastrophised because you're not up much

...it becomes a bit, well I might as well just screw up as it's expected

You're right, we do cling onto the bad

Got two potential counselling routes and pondering exploring some of this stuff there plus talking changes at some point (don't expect much from that like)

Anyway, dunno about anyone who else
.
*Anyone else who might think the same ways
You've described automatic negative thoughts for which CBT would be the first line. It won't address the childhood stuff of course but that's not always a bad thing. There's often quite a lot of variety in the quality of CBT offered but it would be a good start in your case I think.
 
Dunno about anyone else but I think it's hard wired from childhood

If you're told you're not good at anything, don't deserve much, achievements not recognised and reinforced, and mistakes catastrophised because you're not up much

...it becomes a bit, well I might as well just screw up as it's expected

You're right, we do cling onto the bad

Got two potential counselling routes and pondering exploring some of this stuff there plus talking changes at some point (don't expect much from that like)

Anyway, dunno about anyone who else
.
*Anyone else who might think the same ways
Years of psychotherapy and reading has taught me the same as you believe. Years of messaging, criticism, nothing being good enough, moving goal posts ad nauseum. It all builds up and sometimes we don't see it. It is an odd thing as it can be so buried that we don't recognise it. Like sometimes I will be perplexed why I feel that way and then the therapist asks where do I think I got those messages or ideas from and it is so obvious and I don't know how I forgot. Just needed someone to prompt my thoughts. Other times I do parts work in IFS and it just comes blurting out like an overflow that just won't stop!
You've described automatic negative thoughts for which CBT would be the first line. It won't address the childhood stuff of course but that's not always a bad thing. There's often quite a lot of variety in the quality of CBT offered but it would be a good start in your case I think.
It can be a good starting point, even better if you get someone who blends it with other therapies. I had good benefits from it early and think it is very good for people who are not ready to delve deeper or perhaps don't recognise they might need to.

Sadly nearly everyone gets thrown down that route as it is quick to get people off of the waiting lists. Both because it is the quickest and cheapest to train for and be effective. And because the disengagement rates are very high for people referred to it who had no business being referred to it, so they can be off the figures swiftly.
 
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Years of psychotherapy and reading has taught me the same as you believe. Years of messaging, criticism, nothing being good enough, moving goal posts ad nauseum. It all builds up and sometimes we don't see it. It is an odd thing as it can be so buried that we don't recognise it. Like sometimes I will be perplexed why I feel that way and then the therapist asks where do I think I got those messages or ideas from and it is so obvious and I don't know how I forgot. Just needed someone to prompt my thoughts. Other times I do parts work in IFS and it just comes blurting out like an overflow that just won't stop.

Sadly nearly everyone gets thrown down that route as it is quick to get people off of the waiting lists. Both because it is the quickest and cheapest to train for and be effective. And because the disengagement rates are very high for people referred to it who had no business being referred to it, so they can be off the figures swiftly.
It's about finding the correct starting point to address the issue(s). I totally agree with your post & frustration, but to begin people need to go along that route to get to the bottom of it. Whoever someone is referred to makes quite a difference (like anything). I shouldn't really have said that but as you say I see your frustration.
 
It's about finding the correct starting point to address the issue(s). I totally agree with your post & frustration, but to begin people need to go along that route to get to the bottom of it. Whoever someone is referred to makes quite a difference (like anything). I shouldn't really have said that but as you say I see your frustration.
Yeah I agree. Any frustration I have is more on behalf of others sent to low level therapies who have much higher needs. I saw it for years when I worked at a mental health charity. They were inundated with people with serious needs.
 
Yeah I agree. Any frustration I have is more on behalf of others sent to low level therapies who have much higher needs. I saw it for years when I worked at a mental health charity. They were inundated with people with serious needs.
I had similar connection when I worked in an NHS hospital for 20 odd years that housed three units so what I was told by attendees & their relatives during conversations gave me some insight to that healthcare area. I always had time for that group because I knew what they were going through.
 
I was just rereading some bits and bobs above. A whole lot makes sense. So thank you all

I seem to have some out of outpouring going on lately. Been doing a fair bit of crying and at random, and it's not even sad crying. Just something that needs to be out. Even just posting things that I think and feel and on a few threads now

It can be a bit of a jumble. Some counselling might give it a bit structure or meaning (if that sounds right)

Stay safe all and I guess try and be kind to yourself
 
I was just rereading some bits and bobs above. A whole lot makes sense. So thank you all

I seem to have some out of outpouring going on lately. Been doing a fair bit of crying and at random, and it's not even sad crying. Just something that needs to be out. Even just posting things that I think and feel and on a few threads now

It can be a bit of a jumble. Some counselling might give it a bit structure or meaning (if that sounds right)

Stay safe all and I guess try and be kind to yourself
Make sure you definately take your own advice here mind
 
I was just rereading some bits and bobs above. A whole lot makes sense. So thank you all

I seem to have some out of outpouring going on lately. Been doing a fair bit of crying and at random, and it's not even sad crying. Just something that needs to be out. Even just posting things that I think and feel and on a few threads now

It can be a bit of a jumble. Some counselling might give it a bit structure or meaning (if that sounds right)
You're correct, pick the bits out that are relevant & don't relate everything to yourself. That's what it's all about. But most importantly, if you feel the need to post (wherever) just do it 👍
 
Hope everyone is doing okay. On a massive downer today like. Told my mam and dad I was trying to get myself counselling via work. What followed was a huge bust up where they reminded me how I’m the cause of my own problems (which I know) and how I’m a disgrace, a shit dad etc.

I’m beginning to realise that as bad as it sounds the only way I’ll ever be truly happy is if I get myself sorted and then have very little to actually do with them. They constantly love to remind me about how I’ve made a mess of things, and rather than try to help they choose not to. Their justification being “well everyone is in the same boat your age”.
 
Hope everyone is doing okay. On a massive downer today like. Told my mam and dad I was trying to get myself counselling via work. What followed was a huge bust up where they reminded me how I’m the cause of my own problems (which I know) and how I’m a disgrace, a shit dad etc.

I’m beginning to realise that as bad as it sounds the only way I’ll ever be truly happy is if I get myself sorted and then have very little to actually do with them. They constantly love to remind me about how I’ve made a mess of things, and rather than try to help they choose not to. Their justification being “well everyone is in the same boat your age”.
I feel for you there. If you think back, have they always been critical and unhelpful, and invalidated your emotions? It could even be a contributing factor to any problems you have caused yourself. I massively increased my problems by re-traumatising myself, self sabotage etc to prove I am what I was told I am.

I went no contact about 2.5 years ago because I knew I would never recover if I am in contact with my mother. It is a really tough decision to make but I've rarely looked back.
 
Hope everyone is doing okay. On a massive downer today like. Told my mam and dad I was trying to get myself counselling via work. What followed was a huge bust up where they reminded me how I’m the cause of my own problems (which I know) and how I’m a disgrace, a shit dad etc.

I’m beginning to realise that as bad as it sounds the only way I’ll ever be truly happy is if I get myself sorted and then have very little to actually do with them. They constantly love to remind me about how I’ve made a mess of things, and rather than try to help they choose not to. Their justification being “well everyone is in the same boat your age”.
So basically you try to tell them you are trying to get yourself sorted and instead of saying good on you they just piled on.

Gosh, not that I want to go all Hitchcockian but parents, sometimes. To be honest tho I do refer back to that Phillip Larkin poem. I know for instance one of my parents had a desperately difficult and unhappy childhood so I do try to take some deep breaths and give them some leeway. Which is more than they ever do for me by the way.

Good for you. Counselling can be difficult. Sometimes exploring things you don't want too, but stick with it, it can help
 
Reading the last couple of posts (from rey, cpl & db) give a large insight & root cause to how some begin to develop depression.

Massive credit is due for being able to post those things. Loads of people would not have the personal courage to do so. The same goes for everyone that is facing up to these matters.

It may not feel lke it sometimes but there IS light in the dark tunnel.
 
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