Boro thread

[Georgewhitt]

The key here is it mentions the word "rivals" as part of the definition. The players aren't rivals, except from being in the same division. The fans aren't rivals because they have limited to zero interaction, with the exception of folk like yourself.

Any team you are playing against on a given day is a rival.
Boros location makes them a local rival.

Therefore by definition it is a local derby.

Look at the actual defintion I copied man.

You may argue until you are blue in the face, but you are trying to put your definition, with your rules, on to something that has already been defined.

You are wrong.

 

[hank williams]

Any team you are playing against on a given day is a rival.
Boros location makes them a local rival.

Therefore by definition it is a local derby.

Look at the actual defintion I copied man.

You may argue until you are blue in the face, but you are trying to put your definition, with your rules, on to something that has already been defined.

You are wrong.

Palace v Brighton supposed to be a derby yet there further miles distance away the
than the smoggys are to us

 

[gatopreto]

Any team you are playing against on a given day is a rival.
Boros location makes them a local rival.

Therefore by definition it is a local derby.

Look at the actual defintion I copied man.

You may argue until you are blue in the face, but you are trying to put your definition, with your rules, on to something that has already been defined.

You are wrong.

What do you set the distance as for it to be 'local' then? 10 miles, 20 miles, 25 miles, 50 miles? Its been defined by who - Google? Sky? Of course they like the drama of it being a derby.

If you want to get the old A-Z maps out and set the criteria at 25 or 30 miles then its a derby. It would be a paper derby without the heightened emotions and bitter rivalry that is usually associated with a derby. And with this criteria, it would throw up a lot of derby games up and down the country. For example, Is Southampton v Brighton automatically defined as a derby because there is fewer than 30 miles (29) between them?

Like I've said before, when appraising a rivalry in football, for me its about the fans and the passion. The vast majority of Sunderland fans live in Tyne and Wear, or in and around Durham. Therefore we have limited to zero interaction with Boro fans. This means that the anxiety, hatred and passion that you would associate with a derby simply isn't there.

In terms of geographical proximity aka the North East yeah. Same as many London derbies. Do I regard the game any higher than any other opponent. Nah not really. Think you need both for a proper derby. The jubilation when you win and the gut wrenching feel of defeat is what sets apart derbies from run of the mill fixtures and quite frankly I’ve never felt either in games against Middlesbrough. If you want to regard it both ways fine. It’s nothing compared to Newcastle games and that’s a derby. Just my opinion. Sorry if it offends or upsets you I really am.

This describes the feeling of most fans I would say.

 

[scott934]

Any Sunderland fans suggesting it's not a derby are in denial. History shows that the tickets sold for this game ramp up massively compared to any other league fixture (except Newcastle).

There was 4 higher attendances last season than the one that season vs Boro, already 1 this season, 5 more in 17-18, and 3 more in 16-17.

 

[rentaghost]

The key here is it mentions the word "rivals" as part of the definition. The players aren't rivals, except from being in the same division. The fans aren't rivals because they have limited to zero interaction, with the exception of folk like yourself.

Lucky. The majority of our fanbase have regular interaction with mags. This is what makes the derby so intense.

I don't care about Boro but I care about people trying to fabricate a rivalry.

So you have said for the 873rd time

There was 4 higher attendances last season than the one that season vs Boro, already 1 this season, 5 more in 17-18, and 3 more in 16-17.

And we have had bigger attendances for Man U games than Mag games in the past. His point still stands - the Boro crowd is invariably higher than normal due to the locality and rivalry of the game.

 

[wev17]

There was 4 higher attendances last season than the one that season vs Boro, already 1 this season, 5 more in 17-18, and 3 more in 16-17.

Worth remembering the boro games have been on TV, on a Sunday, 12 o'clock kick off.

Sunderland haven't been Boro's highest attended game for the same reasons.

 

[Ambivalent Dave]

The key here is it mentions the word "rivals" as part of the definition. The players aren't rivals, except from being in the same division. The fans aren't rivals because they have limited to zero interaction, with the exception of folk like yourself.

Lucky. The majority of our fanbase have regular interaction with mags. This is what makes the derby so intense.

I don't care about Boro but I care about people trying to fabricate a rivalry.

so just to get your definition clear, it's not a derby because our fans don't have interaction with Boro fans, apart from the ones that do?

 

[gatopreto]

So you have said for the 873rd time

And we have had bigger attendances for Man U games than Mag games in the past. His point still stands - the Boro crowd is invariably higher than normal due to the locality and rivalry of the game.

It doesn't matter about feelings or emotions. If there is fewer than 30 miles and sky say it's a derby, then it's a derby. I read it on here.

One the point about ticket sales, Boro travel well, they bring decent followings. And some of our fans in the very south of Durham will see it as a derby.

 

[scott934]

So you have said for the 873rd time

And we have had bigger attendances for Man U games than Mag games in the past. His point still stands - the Boro crowd is invariably higher than normal due to the locality and rivalry of the game.

You don't need to talk about attendances to prove a game against Newcastle was a derby, everybody knows it was. Stoke, Watford, Blackburn were all higher attendances last season, not exactly Manchester United.

I agree Boro is referred to as a derby, but was our 2-0 win against them last season more enjoyable than say our 2-0 win at Huddersfield? Not to me, it's probably level with a game against Coventry nowadays.

 

[wev17]

Honestly don't you want more games with an edge? Who wants games against southern clubs who bring no fans. Nothing better than a match day when the club brings fans and they are up for it.

 

[gatopreto]

so just to get your definition clear, it's not a derby because our fans don't have interaction with Boro fans, apart from the ones that do?

Read my post, I've outlined it really well.

The vast majority of fans don't have interaction with Boro fans. Therefore do not have the anxiety/hatred that you would associate with a derby. Do you agree with that statement?

It's acknowledged that a minority do have interactions, perhaps you fit into this category. Mainly those that work/live in Boro or at the very south of county Durham. I can see why it feels more like a derby, because you'll have that banter, the anticipation going into the game, that heightened fear of losing.

Out of interest, what part of the north east do you live?

 

[wev17]

You don't need to talk about attendances to prove a game against Newcastle was a derby, everybody knows it was. Stoke, Watford, Blackburn were all higher attendances last season, not exactly Manchester United.

Blackburn was boxing day, Watford was last home game of the season (going for play offs), Stoke was Ales Neill's return. Boro was a Sunday 12 o'clock kick off on TV.

It is exactly the same for Boro - Boxing day and games at end of season were higher attended than the Sunderland match.

 

[rentaghost]

Honestly don't you want more games with an edge? Who wants games against southern clubs who bring no fans. Nothing better than a match day when the club brings fans and they are up for it.

No they don't. They want to be all hip and cool and say we don't care as you slot in your 4th.

 

[scott934]

Blackburn was boxing day, Watford was last home game of the season (going for play offs), Stoke was Ales Neill's return. Boro was a Sunday 12 o'clock kick off on TV.

It is exactly the same for Boro - Boxing day and games at end of season were higher attended than the Sunderland match.

Exactly, then put a game against Newcastle in there and then only Luton in the playoffs would match it because it sold out.

 

[wev17]

Exactly, then put a game against Newcastle in there and then only Luton in the playoffs would match it because it sold out.

No one is denying Newcastle is your biggest game.

 

[scott934]

No they don't. They want to be all hip and cool and say we don't care as you slot in your 4th.

I never said I don't care about winning the match, obviously the result was sickening. I remember wanting Boro to win the league cup against Bolton though, that wouldn't have happened for Newcastle.

 

[gatopreto]

No they don't. They want to be all hip and cool and say we don't care as you slot in your 4th.

Ahh don't mention that 4th goal. My phone went mad, full of Boro fans taking the mick. I was dreading going back to work that Monday morning seeing all the smoggies, they were going to rip me too bits. We'd been talking about the game all week.

When I got home from the game and got out my car my neighbour shouted out his window "4-0"

I walked into my local pub to drown my sorrows but it was full of Boro fans singing songs. One even put "Papas got a brand new pigpag" on the jukebox. I was that sick I downed my pint and walked out.

Sick of seeing all the boro shirts where I live, they've really came out the woodwork after ths.

None of the above happened. But if it did, that is what a derby game means.

 

[rentaghost]

I never said I don't care about winning the match, obviously the result was sickening. I remember wanting Boro to win the league cup against Bolton though, that wouldn't have happened for Newcastle.

I would like Gateshead to get promoted into the football league but if we draw them in a cup its a Derby. Not THE Derby but a derby all the same.

 

[Georgewhitt]

Read my post, I've outlined it really well.

The vast majority of fans don't have interaction with Boro fans. Therefore do not have the anxiety/hatred that you would associate with a derby. Do you agree with that statement?

All you've outlined is that you are too pig headed to accept the actual definition of a derby, and tried to twist it around based on your "fan interaction" guff, and seemingly denying Boro is in the NE. It's laughable man.

I don't have the pre match anxiety against Boro that I do against the Barcodes, but that doen't mean that Boro isn't a derby.

 

[gatopreto]

All you've outlined is that you are too pig headed to accept the actual definition of a derby, and tried to twist it around based on your "fan interaction" guff, and seemingly denying Boro is in the NE. It's laughable man.

I don't have the pre match anxiety against Boro that I do against the Barcodes, but that doen't mean that Boro isn't a derby.

It's a derby because of the distance and because sky say, fair enough.

But don't claim for a second it has the emotional element of a derby for the vast majority of our fanbase who live within 10 miles of the SOL.

What I have described in my post above describes what a derby really means as a fan.