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Boro thread

Safc98 said:
No it’s because I just don’t care anymore than any other game when we lose to you nor celebrate extravagantly when beating you. It is a derby. But it’s a derby in the same way Arsenal v Crystal Palace or Brentford v Charlton is.
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Another one of our fans trying too hard. Post number 2801 of Sunderland fans telling everyone how much they don’t care :lol:
Anyway those Brentord v Charlton games can be canny tasty.
 

Barndoor said:
I think what he is trying to say is ), back in the 70s and 80s it was never in question it was a Wear/Tees Derby and the amount of trouble between the fans was (at one point) very bad, worse than any other visiting team and you never got that with any other club (and that includes Newcastle) times have changed...if fans now on both sides have decided its not a derby to them...Well it's not a derby..this topic has been done to death over what seems forever.
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ERIMUS1876 said:
The more Sunderland supporters that think playing Boro is "just another game" and not a "derby",the better for me and my fellow Boro supporters.

In part I feel it explains Boro's amazing record against Sunderland. The recent 4-0 victory was the 6th time I have seen Boro win at Sunderland in my last eight visits there (also one draw and one defeat).

To put that into context, Sunderland have won at Middlesbrough four times in the last 70 years!

I'm currently co-writing a book and included it in are references to previous Tees / Wear derbies. The 1936/37 First Division encounter at Boro ended 5-5 ... described pre-match by The Hartlepool Northern Daily Mail as "the outstanding attraction is at Ayresome Park, where Middlesbrough meet Sunderland in the big north-east “derby” and post-match by the Sunday Sun as "the greatest derby of all time".

It was a derby when first played on 26th November 1887 (FA Cup), it was a derby on 17th October 1936 (mentioned above), it was a derby on 7th October 2023 and it will always be a derby in the future.

Maybe Sunderland fans underplay it due to their atrocious record against Boro or maybe its mainly down to the internet generation!

Big crowds, ridiculous kick-off times, massive police presence and trouble at matches well past the 1980s aren't normally associated with "just another game".

Anyway, hopefully the narrative will continue to grow on Wearside ... all the better for Boro!
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gatopreto said:
I've never met a Boro fan despite living all my life within an 8 mile radius of the stadium of light/roker park. Therefore it's not a derby.

As you say though, convincing yourself it's a derby has paid dividends over the years on the pitch.

You mean need to go to places where there is Boro fans?
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Agree born in roker never ever met or come across a boro fan through work to think of it can't remember ever meeting a boro fan anywhere other than at ayrsesome back in the 80s
hank williams said:
What if you live down here & your entire family are staunch mackems & everyone else you kna are smoggy
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It's still not a derby 🤣
 
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Boro_Fan said:
A derby then? 🤡
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In terms of geographical proximity aka the North East yeah. Same as many London derbies. Do I regard the game any higher than any other opponent. Nah not really. Think you need both for a proper derby. The jubilation when you win and the gut wrenching feel of defeat is what sets apart derbies from run of the mill fixtures and quite frankly I’ve never felt either in games against Middlesbrough. If you want to regard it both ways fine. It’s nothing compared to Newcastle games and that’s a derby. Just my opinion. Sorry if it offends or upsets you I really am.
 
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Safc98 said:
In terms of geographical proximity aka the North East yeah. Same as many London derbies. Do I regard the game any higher than any other opponent. Nah not really. Think you need both for a proper derby. The jubilation when you win and the gut wrenching feel of defeat is what sets apart derbies from run of the mill fixtures and quite frankly I’ve never felt either in games against Middlesbrough. If you want to regard it both ways fine. It’s nothing compared to Newcastle games and that’s a derby. Just my opinion. Sorry if it offends or upsets you I really am.
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Agree even during 80s for me a lot more edge on the day helluva lot of trouble especially at ayresome but if we won or got beat didn't meant that much
 
I don’t think of it as a derby but it has a little something about it than any other team in the league, I don’t really care how they get on good or bad because for me our only real derby is against the scum. they however seem to think it’s a derby more than we do so let them get on with it, no point arguing the toss as we all have our opinions on it
 
gatopreto said:
It's a derby game for fans in the likes of bishop Auckland and blackhall colliery where they interact with Boro fans. But if you are from Gateshead, Washington, south Shields, Northumberland, where exactly do you meet Boro fans? For me it's the fans that make derby games.
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Only a handful of boro fans in blackhall and we never see them, one is my marra who goes home and away but definitely doesn’t feel like a derby to me just another game.

Can see why certain people think the game has an extra edge to it if your living in and around them.
 
gatopreto said:
But it's a legitimate reason to not care isn't it? Zero interaction. Football is about fans, particularly if you are trying to define what is a derby
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Definition below marra.
Nowt to do with interaction of fans, or how many you know.
Put your own definition on it if you like, but you're wrang.

"Games between two rivals that are based in areas of close geographical proximity are often known as a local derby, or simply just a derby (UK: /ˈdɑːrbi/ DAR-bee, US: /ˈdɜːrbi/ DUR-bee); a sporting event between two teams from the same town, city or region. The term is usually connected with association football[4] and the media and supporters will often refer to this fixture as "Derby Day".[5]"
 
It's definitely not THE derby for Sunderland, but mackems v smoggies is definitely A derby.

It's probably 'Boro's main derby, but it's obviously not Sunderland's main derby.

I think most fans know this.

Any Sunderland fans suggesting it's not a derby are in denial. History shows that the tickets sold for this game ramp up massively compared to any other league fixture (except Newcastle).
 
Georgewhitt said:
Definition below marra.
Nowt to do with interaction of fans, or how many you know.
Put your own definition on it if you like, but you're wrang.

"Games between two rivals that are based in areas of close geographical proximity are often known as a local derby, or simply just a derby (UK: /ˈdɑːrbi/ DAR-bee, US: /ˈdɜːrbi/ DUR-bee); a sporting event between two teams from the same town, city or region. The term is usually connected with association football[4] and the media and supporters will often refer to this fixture as "Derby Day".[5]"
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The key here is it mentions the word "rivals" as part of the definition. The players aren't rivals, except from being in the same division. The fans aren't rivals because they have limited to zero interaction, with the exception of folk like yourself.
Ambivalent Dave said:
I genuinely only know a handful of mags.

So they're not a derby to me by the same token :lol::lol::lol:
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Lucky. The majority of our fanbase have regular interaction with mags. This is what makes the derby so intense.
rentaghost said:
Not caring means not falling over yourself to keep saying time and time again how much you don’t care.
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I don't care about Boro but I care about people trying to fabricate a rivalry.
 
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