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The Pep myth

bagpiperay said:
Money doesn’t always guarantee success. Look at Chelsea in recent years. And perhaps look at the dire footballers and football played by Sunderland under arguably one of the worst owners we’ve ever had in Ellis Short.
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chelsea have had a poor season with the money..unde iditot onwers..who sacked the good managers and hired shit ones..
Man Coty and Barca both have an extensive infrastructure of sporting diretors etc who support pep woith bthe transfer strategy etc...give chelsea a good one of those and watch what happens..
What A Waster said:
So thats a long way of saying there's nobody with a comparable record.

The bloke is averaging over 2 trophies per season and has only finished lower than 2nd once.

But aye overrated
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there is no one with the same set of opportunities he has had..both in terms of sqaud quality he inherited and in terms of the cheating he was part of..any manager could win the spanish league if their owner was briinging referees..
 
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What A Waster said:
If his achievements are overrated show me a manager with 35 trophies in a similar period of time

You think Bruce would be close to getting above 95 points with Barca then smashing points records in the bundesliga?
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He'd do well enough. Pep is a very good coach but let's not kid ourselves with the amount of quality and money he had at his disposal.
City has been by far his toughest gig and it's took over a one billion quid spend for him to eventually get it right.


He'll go down as one of the all time greats . But I'll always hold the likes of Ferguson and Wenger in a higher regard. But of course, it's all personal opinion
 
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kildaremackem said:
chelsea have had a poor season with the money..unde iditot onwers..who sacked the good managers and hired shit ones..
Man Coty and Barca both have an extensive infrastructure of sporting diretors etc who support pep woith bthe transfer strategy etc...give chelsea a good one of those and watch what happens..
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Chelsea had that 20 years ago. When there was less rich clubs and the money went further.
 
kildaremackem said:
chelsea have had a poor season with the money..unde iditot onwers..who sacked the good managers and hired shit ones..
Man Coty and Barca both have an extensive infrastructure of sporting diretors etc who support pep woith bthe transfer strategy etc...give chelsea a good one of those and watch what happens..

there is no one with the same set of opportunities he has had..both in terms of sqaud quality he inherited and in terms of the cheating he was part of..any manager could win the spanish league if their owner was briinging referees..
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Why do you think he's had those opportunities? He didn't just win a raffle to be there. It's because he's the best around.
kildaremackem said:
one season eh? means nowt..
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No, not one season. Abramovich took over 2003, appointed European cup winning manager Mourinho in 2004, good recruitment, spending freely, won a couple of leagues brilliantly but no euroean cup and jose was the best coach in the game at that point.
 
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What A Waster said:
Why do you think he's had those opportunities? He didn't just win a raffle to be there. It's because he's the best around.

No, not one season. Abramovich took over 2003, appointed European cup winning manager Mourinho in 2004, good recruitment, spending freely, won a couple of leagues brilliantly but no euroean cup and jose was the best coach in the game at that point.
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when had chelsea won a europeanncup prior to that?how recently had bayern won one prior to gaurdiola going there?
How recently had barcelona won one prior to pep going there?
 
What A Waster said:
Why do you think he's had those opportunities? He didn't just win a raffle to be there. It's because he's the best around.

No, not one season. Abramovich took over 2003, appointed European cup winning manager Mourinho in 2004, good recruitment, spending freely, won a couple of leagues brilliantly but no euroean cup and jose was the best coach in the game at that point.
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how did barcelon know he was the best around before appointing him-he hadnt done anything before they appointed him?
He did however know the barcelona way(bribery and corruption) and is a catalan nationalist which is very important to them...
dangermows said:
It's mad how he seems to reoeatedly land in the hot seat at big clubs with cash. Pure luck. The likes of Lee Johnson must be cursing theirs.
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compare him with tucghek or mourinho or ferguson..who had to earn their right to sit in those big chairs...
 
kildaremackem said:
when had chelsea won a europeanncup prior to that?how recently had bayern won one prior to gaurdiola going there?
How recently had barcelona won one prior to pep going there?
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so what you're saying is the sueccesful clubs appoint him because they see somebody who is of their standard.
A bit like how top football clubs sign the best players and not just some bloke from the northern league.
The best go to the best.

Looks like we're getting somewhere.

Now can you show me somebody with a better record than guardiola because you said he was overrated?
kildaremackem said:
how did barcelon know he was the best around before appointing him-he hadnt done anything before they appointed him?
He did however know the barcelona way(bribery and corruption) and is a catalan nationalist which is very important to them...

compare him with tucghek or mourinho or ferguson..who had to earn their right to sit in those big chairs...
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Tucghek
 
McGregor said:
He'd do well enough. Pep is a very good coach but let's not kid ourselves with the amount of quality and money he had at his disposal.
City has been by far his toughest gig and it's took over a one billion quid spend for him to eventually get it right.


He'll go down as one of the all time greats . But I'll always hold the likes of Ferguson and Wenger in a higher regard. But of course, it's all personal opinion
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Put up wengers stats vs pep’s please.
 
What A Waster said:
so what you're saying is the sueccesful clubs appoint him because they see somebody who is of their standard.
A bit like how top football clubs sign the best players and not just some bloke from the northern league.
The best go to the best.

Looks like we're getting somewhere.

Now can you show me somebody with a better record than guardiola because you said he was overrated?

Tucghek
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gaurdiola is over rated because his record is flattered by the cheating and doping at the two clubs he was successful at..he went to one club where the cheating and doping didnt happen and didnt succeed..

Clubs hire him because he can keep his mouth shut about the cheating and doping..so for cultural reasons not ability reasons..
 
What A Waster said:
Yes, people looking at it from the perspective of Bayern winning 11 in a row. In the 7 years before Guardiola waa at Bayern the Bundesliga was won by Stuttgart, Bayern, Wolfsburg, Bayern, Dortmund x2 and then Bayern.
Do not exactly the dominance that people view it with now
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The bottom line is he wasn't a failure but for the generally touted view of him being 'the best coach in the world' the failure to reach a Champions League final challenged that narrative.
 
kildaremackem said:
gaurdiola is over rated because his record is flattered by the cheating and doping at the two clubs he was successful at..he went to one club where the cheating and doping didnt happen and didnt succeed..

Clubs hire him because he can keep his mouth shut about the cheating and doping..so for cultural reasons not ability reasons..
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Last time I read this much shite was when as a young teen I read one of me mams mills and boons.
 
Eric gates hair said:
Put up wengers stats vs pep’s please.
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pep - 14 seasons, 11 league titles, 10 domestic cups, 3 champions leagues, 3 world club cups, 3 European super cups, 5 domestic shields/super cups.
35 bits of silverware in 14 seasons.


Wenger 34 years in management 4 league titles, 9 cups, 8 domestic super cup/shield, Japanese league manager of the year 1995
kildaremackem said:
gaurdiola is over rated because his record is flattered by the cheating and doping at the two clubs he was successful at..he went to one club where the cheating and doping didnt happen and didnt succeed..

Clubs hire him because he can keep his mouth shut about the cheating and doping..so for cultural reasons not ability reasons..
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Enjoy your night mate.
 
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Be interesting to see who City get after Pep (now knowing they need to find another bloke who only goes to jobs where cheating occurs and will happily go along with it. Presumably it"ll be someone who has managed Barca since).
 
What A Waster said:
pep - 14 seasons, 11 league titles, 10 domestic cups, 3 champions leagues, 3 world club cups, 3 European super cups, 5 domestic shields/super cups.
35 bits of silverware in 14 seasons.


Wenger 34 years in management 4 league titles, 9 cups, 8 domestic super cup/shield, Japanese league manager of the year 1995

Enjoy your night mate.
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Close run thing between him and arsene like
 
What A Waster said:
pep - 14 seasons, 11 league titles, 10 domestic cups, 3 champions leagues, 3 world club cups, 3 European super cups, 5 domestic shields/super cups.
35 bits of silverware in 14 seasons.


Wenger 34 years in management 4 league titles, 9 cups, 8 domestic super cup/shield, Japanese league manager of the year 1995

Enjoy your night mate.
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To be fair, he did nothing at Bayern that wasn't automatically expected of a Bayern manager. He won the league (which everyone does) got nowhere near the CL - despite inheriting a squad that were current CL winners, who won it again within 3 or 4 years of him leaving.

2 CL titles for Bayern between 2013 and 2020, and he managed them for 3 years in between.
 
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