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The Pep myth

kildaremackem said:
of course it depends on the circumtstances..if its the exact same sqaud then maybe yes..

Pep was brought in to win the champions league at bayern and didnt..

good points..but in the year prior to Pep they had won the champs league..so their elevation or upward trajectopry had already started before him..rather than him starting it..
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At the time he came in no team had won back to back European cups since 1990, a gap of 23 years.
 

kildaremackem said:
no because for a huge number of those seasons they didnt aspire to win it/think they had a realistic chance of foing so...Pep was hired with the specific target of winning the champions league..he didnt..so he failed to hit the target set for him..thats called failing..he didnt of course have the advantage of either financial or actual doping at bayern that he has had elsewhere..
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Off your box today pal.
 
Eric gates hair said:
Off your box today pal.
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Nah he's right, Guardiola has won 78% of the league titles he's competed for as a manager, 3 champions leagues, 2 trebles. Revolutionised football.
But aye failed at Bayern with his miserable 7 trophies in 3 seasons and despite absolutely dominating and setting loads of records.
 
kildaremackem said:
his target was to win the champions league..he didnt...
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Can you show me some quotes or articles where directors/presidents etc of Bayern are saying Guardiola is here with the target of winning the champions league?

Was it not more like one of the top 5 biggest clubs in the world looking to appoint the most in demand coach in the world?
 
What A Waster said:
Can you show me some quotes or articles where directors/presidents etc of Bayern are saying Guardiola is here with the target of winning the champions league?

Was it not more like one of the top 5 biggest clubs in the world looking to appoint the most in demand coach in the world?
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what makes them one of the top five biggest clubs in the world?
And shouldnt such a club-with such a status-be epecting to win one in every three champions leagues?
 
dangermows said:
Some lunatics on this thread.
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I don't think there's a more successful manager tbf.
14 seasons.
11 leagues, 3 champions leagues, 10 cups, 3 uefa super cups, 3 world cup cups, 5 domestic super cup/community shield.
3rd place lowest finish (once).


35 honours in 14 seasons.

Loads of records set.



But aye he is absolutely a failure because he didn't win the champions league with one of the clubs he was gaffer.
 
He's done well for only having spent nearly 2 billion quid in his time as manager .

Overcame all the hurdles in his way financially
 
What A Waster said:
I don't think there's a more successful manager tbf.
14 seasons.
11 leagues, 3 champions leagues, 10 cups, 3 uefa super cups, 3 world cup cups, 5 domestic super cup/community shield.
3rd place lowest finish (once).


35 honours in 14 seasons.

Loads of records set.



But aye he is absolutely a failure because he didn't win the champions league with one of the clubs he was gaffer.
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no one said he has failed in his career..though i do think his achievements ar eover rated compared to some others because of the advantages he has had at every club he has been at..he still has shown some ability as a tactical innovator and has the courage of his convictions because he persists with the counter-inituitive things (such as john stones new position) until they work
 
kildaremackem said:
no one said he has failed in his career..though i do think his achievements ar eover rated compared to some others because of the advantages he has had at every club he has been at..he still has shown some ability as a tactical innovator and has the courage of his convictions because he persists with the counter-inituitive things (such as john stones new position) until they work
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If his achievements are overrated show me a manager with 35 trophies in a similar period of time
McGregor said:
Well given the quality he had at Barcelona and Bayern especially he wouldn't be far off
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You think Bruce would be close to getting above 95 points with Barca then smashing points records in the bundesliga?
 
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What A Waster said:
If his achievements are overrated show me a manager with 35 trophies in a similar period of time
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winning trophies with established teams is not the only measure of achievement...becsuse he mostly took over good teams where the heavy lfiting was done by predescessors...he did imporve those teams-except bayern who went backwards-but he took over good teams rather than really building a new one from scratch..
 
Unlucky Black Cat said:
I wonder how brilliant he'd be with nee dosh. Like when we gave Mick McCarthy 10 bob to keep us in the Prem? 🤔
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Money doesn’t always guarantee success. Look at Chelsea in recent years. And perhaps look at the dire footballers and football played by Sunderland under arguably one of the worst owners we’ve ever had in Ellis Short.
 
kildaremackem said:
winning trophies with established teams is not the only measure of achievement...becsuse he mostly took over good teams where the heavy lfiting was done by predescessors...he did imporve those teams-except bayern who went backwards-but he took over good teams rather than really building a new one from scratch..
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So thats a long way of saying there's nobody with a comparable record.

The bloke is averaging over 2 trophies per season and has only finished lower than 2nd once.

But aye overrated
 
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