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The ref (see PGMOL thread)

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Steesafc said:
'Thats a f***ing foul'

I'd put decent money on that being the first time in the history of the game a player has been given a second yellow for saying that. Its a shocker of a decision and unfortunately for us you took full advantage.

You lot complained about Fry's red last season ffs when he took Stewart down when he was clean through!


Jesus Christ its embarrassing as fuck.
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Seems to be a recurring theme with him.
 

Georgewhitt said:
Did DN show dissent?

If he swore at the ref, then he did.

Really struggling with people not getting that.

Ok, the ref was inconsistent, but they shouldn't have to explain decisions they make.

Refs across the game, at every level, are being abused everytime they go out.
Without a ref, there is no game, and there are less and less people want to do it every season.

Ref yesterday had a bad game, but he booked DN for dissent, which Neil clearly did.
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I think most get that Neil was stupid what they arent getting is why the ref wasnt giving cards for other similar offences, Crooks for example told him to fuck off to his face from a couple of yards away, is that worse than Neil did i think so, he also failed to produce cards (to the letter of the law) for several shirt pulls by Boro players mainly on Clarke but couldnt get the yellow out quick enough when Roberts did one, its this obvious inconsistancy thats annoying.
 
Missplaced Childhood said:
I think most get that Neil was stupid what they arent getting is why the ref wasnt giving cards for other similar offences, Crooks for example told him to fuck off to his face from a couple of yards away, is that worse than Neil did i think so, he also failed to produce cards (to the letter of the law) for several shirt pulls by Boro players mainly on Clarke but couldnt get the yellow out quick enough when Roberts did one, its this obvious inconsistancy thats annoying.
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Wasting your time mate
 
Missplaced Childhood said:
I think most get that Neil was stupid what they arent getting is why the ref wasnt giving cards for other similar offences, Crooks for example told him to fuck off to his face from a couple of yards away, is that worse than Neil did i think so, he also failed to produce cards (to the letter of the law) for several shirt pulls by Boro players mainly on Clarke but couldnt get the yellow out quick enough when Roberts did one, its this obvious inconsistancy thats annoying.
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Agree, it's f***ing annoying. Inconsistency is f***ing annoying.
But that doesn't alter the fact that if DN had kept his gob shut, it would have been 11 v 11 at the start of the second half marra.
 
Georgewhitt said:
Did DN show dissent?

If he swore at the ref, then he did.

Really struggling with people not getting that.

Ok, the ref was inconsistent, but they shouldn't have to explain decisions they make.

Refs across the game, at every level, are being abused everytime they go out.
Without a ref, there is no game, and there are less and less people want to do it every season.

Ref yesterday had a bad game, but he booked DN for dissent, which Neil clearly did.
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But didn't book other examples of more clear dissent.
 
redandwhiterob said:
As I said before they are just different incidents seen from different angles. Just cos one was given doesn't mean the other needs to be. Incidents need judging individually. Referees will be the honest people in the stadium where as players and fans would argue black is white if it benefitted there team
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I understand a lot of your argument, I also appreciate a lot of your points, and disagree with others.

One question back would be, take angles and views out of the equation. Let’s talk straight forward players speaking to him.

How can Dan Neil saying what he did from about 15 yards away, be worse than a player calling him a **** or shouting Fuckoff on his face. That happened a few times and no cards were given.

I don’t see how that can be missed, as it’s right in front of him, being said to him. Surely you will agree that is an official being inconsistent.
 
Dobblemackem said:
I understand a lot of your argument, I also appreciate a lot of your points, and disagree with others.

One question back would be, take angles and views out of the equation. Let’s talk straight forward players speaking to him.

How can Dan Neil saying what he did from about 15 yards away, be worse than a player calling him a **** or shouting Fuckoff on his face. That happened a few times and no cards were given.

I don’t see how that can be missed, as it’s right in front of him, being said to him. Surely you will agree that is an official being inconsistent.
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Neil is northern and the other lad isn’t so it’s impossible to apply consistency in these circumstances.
 
G Force said:
It’d be 2 a side man :lol:
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I know, but the players are the ones that can stop it. Refs won't book everyone for doing it, and the players know that.
Players and clubs need to take the lead on this, otherwise we just accept refs will be abused, and refs will simply walk away from the game.
Then we really are fucked.
 
Georgewhitt said:
I know, but the players are the ones that can stop it. Refs won't book everyone for doing it, and the players know that.
Players and clubs need to take the lead on this, otherwise we just accept refs will be abused, and refs will simply walk away from the game.
Then we really are fucked.
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It already is when we get utter tits in charge making decisions like that.
 
Dobblemackem said:
I understand a lot of your argument, I also appreciate a lot of your points, and disagree with others.

One question back would be, take angles and views out of the equation. Let’s talk straight forward players speaking to him.

How can Dan Neil saying what he did from about 15 yards away, be worse than a player calling him a **** or shouting Fuckoff on his face. That happened a few times and no cards were given.

I don’t see how that can be missed, as it’s right in front of him, being said to him. Surely you will agree that is an official being inconsistent.
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Again even with swearing every incident will have its own little nuances and it's not black and white. @Sporty has posted a number of time tha the ref initially waved Niel away but then it looks like Niel has said something else and the card has come from that. Could be true, who knows? Even with swearing it's not a question of all bad language resulting in the same punishment. Again all I'm trying to do is provide a bit balance. I realise it makes me public enemy number one but I can only post my honest opinion not matter what team is involved
 
redandwhiterob said:
Again even with swearing every incident will have its own little nuances and it's not black and white. @Sporty has posted a number of time tha the ref initially waved Niel away but then it looks like Niel has said something else and the card has come from that. Could be true, who knows? Even with swearing it's not a question of all bad language resulting in the same punishment. Again all I'm trying to do is provide a bit balance. I realise it makes me public enemy number one but I can only post my honest opinion not matter what team is involved
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I'm out the thread now as I wouldn't be surprised if more than what has been claimed has been said given the video but I doubt we'll ever find out
 
redandwhiterob said:
Again even with swearing every incident will have its own little nuances and it's not black and white. @Sporty has posted a number of time tha the ref initially waved Niel away but then it looks like Niel has said something else and the card has come from that. Could be true, who knows? Even with swearing it's not a question of all bad language resulting in the same punishment. Again all I'm trying to do is provide a bit balance. I realise it makes me public enemy number one but I can only post my honest opinion not matter what team is involved
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You’re not public enemy number one to me, we agree on a lot, I think the abuse you get is pathetic. I also get you like to add balance.

I’m just geniunely intrigued, I’ve watched that video a few times from sporty and I can’t see this supposed wave. He isn’t running towards him, he isn’t in his face, he’s making a point. I don’t say he’s completely blameless mind, he needs to shut his mouth on a yellow card. I’m more interested in the consistency side.

I just can’t get into my head how a player screaming in your face, which did happen yesterday doesn’t warrant a card for discent, yet Neil’s actions do.

If he consistently booked everyone for what he deems as a cautionable offence, fair do’s. Same as some of the fouls, but we’ll never agree on them.
 
That mic’d up game he did in Australia, his VAR mate congratulated him on 4,600th foul he’d given in his career.
Seriously man, what the absolute fuck?

I know I wasn’t going to comment on the penis again but he wants packing off back there asap.
 
Steesafc said:
It already is when we get utter tits in charge making decisions like that.
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He only made the decision because DN gave him a decision to make.
He keeps his gob shut, no issue.
What is difficult to understand about that?

Would he have booked him if he'd said nowt?
 
Georgewhitt said:
He only made the decision because DN gave him a decision to make.
He keeps his gob shut, no issue.
What is difficult to understand about that?

Would he have booked him if he'd said nowt?
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That is true - so Dan Neil needs to look at himself, serve a suspension, and I’m sure his manager will also make him take responsibility for his decision.

What will happen to the ref? Will he take responsibility for his own decisions- that he ruined a game of football, that he didnt book other players for similar offences, that he decided the game single. Will his manager take him to task? Nope.

The ref decided the game.
 
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