5th test the oval

[sonson]

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So you think telling someone to get ready for a broken f***ing arm is fine but swapping the bails round is beyond the pale? What the fuck man.

Who has said that swapping the bails was beyond the pail? Not seen a single person say that

 

[rentaghost]

So you think telling someone to get ready for a broken f***ing arm is fine but swapping the bails round is beyond the pale? What the fuck man.

That’s not what he said tbf. He said nasty comments and actions like Broads are all gamesmanship. It’s up to the umpires to decifer when stuff is over the line or not. At least that’s how I picked it up.

 

[sonson]

You talk some shit you do.

You ever played football or rugby in a city league? People routinely not only tell you they're going to kick the shit out of you, they then attempt to literally kick the shit out of you. The last inter-mural Edinburgh competition I played in the entire team from a notoriously stabby neighbourhood said they were going to wait after the match and chib us if we beat them

Excuse me if I don't get the f***ing vapours over professional sportsmen making empty threats and mind games at the crease

 

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[sonson]

That’s not what he said tbf. He said nasty comments and actions like Broads are all gamesmanship. It’s up to the umpires to decifer when stuff is over the line or not. At least that’s how I picked it up.

Thats Precisely what I was saying. In fact i explicitly said shithousery is no better *or worse* when England do it. It is what it is whoever does it.

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That's mad. They were both as bad as each other, how've they worked that out?

 

[Jap Stammer]

To qoute the Beegees/Boyzone

Its only words.

They didn't break anyone's arm, or try to break anyone's arm. They didn't do anything more intrinsically dangerous than bowling a lump of leather at someone at 75+ mph which is the game itself.

Putting the batsman off is putting the batsman off. I personally have no issue with it (at this level) at all. Long as its not criminal verbal abuse ie racism or whatever, as happened with Symonds against India, and within the laws of the game. Like if the Umpires tell you to stop then obviously you have to. I remember thst happened between Paine and Kohli when India won their first series in Australia the other year.

But If you genuinley have issues with putting the batsman off, think there's no room in the game for it, then f***ing around with bails, which Broad has said himself was intended to do that, should be a problem for you though as much as anything else Aussies might have said.

I played local league cricket for 40 years - I have no issue with 'sledging', 'mental disintegration' or 'shithousery'. Whatever you want to call it. I've received and dished it out in equal measure.

It's the hypocrisy of the bleating from the Aussies about Broad tinkering with the bails that sticks in my throat. Especially coming from the nation that practically invented and then fine-tuned the art of doing anything they could to put off/destroy the concentration of the opposition batsmen.

They like to dish it out - they should accept they'll get it back.

 

[mackem in milan]

Thats Precisely what I was saying. In fact i explicitly said shithousery is no better *or worse* when England do it. It is what it is whoever does it.

That's mad. They were both as bad as each other, how've they worked that out?

I guess because we spent more time bowling than them that it added up more.

 

[sonson]

I played local league cricket for 40 years - I have no issue with 'sledging', 'mental disintegration' or 'shithousery'. Whatever you want to call it. I've received and dished it out in equal measure.

It's the hypocrisy of the bleating from the Aussies about Broad tinkering with the bails that sticks in my throat. Especially coming from the nation that practically invented and then fine-tuned the art of doing anything they could to put off/destroy the concentration of the opposition batsmen.

They like to dish it out - they should accept they'll get it back.

I was giving my personal opinion which is that pretty much anything is fair game if not illegal. Obviously their whinging is hypocritical (i say they, I mean those I've seen on SM, not seen any of the team say owt), I didn't say otherwise.

 

[mackembhoy]

Thats Precisely what I was saying. In fact i explicitly said shithousery is no better *or worse* when England do it. It is what it is whoever does it.

That's mad. They were both as bad as each other, how've they worked that out?

How many overs per hour bowled?

Our over rate when we were trying to win at OT was 11.3, absolutely pathetic.

If we'd bowled at the correct over rate of 15 we might have won that game as unlikely as that is.

 

[zebediah]

They like to dish it out - they should accept they'll get it back.

This is the whole point, I honestly have no idea wtf sonson is on about.
Saying playfully moving bails about is the same as slagging off a mans family is beyond me.

 

[rentaghost]

This is the whole point, I honestly have no idea wtf sonson is on about.
Saying playfully moving bails about is the same as slagging off a mans family is beyond me.

Again he doesn’t need me to fight his corner but what he’s saying is they are both gamesmanship designed to unsettle a batsman. It’s up to the umpire to decide when any attempt at gamesmanship crosses the line. As an opening bat I’ve had bowlers saying they are going to knock my head off and I haven’t been remotely bothered. The worlds gone a bit soft imo.

 

[Wayne The Punk]

Could you have restrained yourself from slapping Smith and Labuschagne after you’d had a few? I don’t think I could have.

And Warner

 

[sonson]

This is the whole point, I honestly have no idea wtf sonson is on about.
Saying playfully moving bails about is the same as slagging off a mans family is beyond me.

Both are intended to piss off the recipient. How well they work depends on the recipient. Thats all there is to it. I'm not aware of any situation where someone has made an insult against someone's family on the pitch and followed it through. Normally everyone has a laugh and drink about it at the end.

In fact for all I've seen all the sledging anecdotes they're always told in good humour, never heard a *player* say they were wrong or out of order. It seemed to get out of hand with India and Aus in the late 00's when it got racist and gebuinldy nasty but that was very obviously a case of unprofessional behaviour and lack of control, not calculated gamesmanship.

If a professional sportsman is thin skinned enough to think an obvious bit of gamesmanship designed specifically to put them off is the same as genuine harassment of their family then they need to work on that, it's part of the job to be mentally resistant. It's part of any job in fact to be able to put your profession before your emotional response at times of pressure.

 

[rentaghost]

Both are intended to piss off the recipient. How well they work depends on the recipient. Thats all there is to it. I'm not aware of any situation where someone has made an insult against someone's family on the pitch and followed it through. Normally everyone has a laugh and drink about it at the end.

In fact for all I've seen all the sledging anecdotes they're always told in good humour, never heard a *player* say they were wrong or out of order. It seemed to get out of hand with India and Aus in the late 00's when it got racist and gebuinldy nasty but that was very obviously a case of unprofessional behaviour and lack of control, not calculated gamesmanship.

If a professional sportsman is thin skinned enough to think an obvious bit of gamesmanship designed specifically to put them off is the same as genuine harassment of their family then they need to work on that, it's part of the job to be mentally resistant. It's part of any job in fact to be able to put your profession before your emotional response at times of pressure.

Although I do think a former Surrey left hander saying ‘tell your sister to look both left and right when she crosses a railway’ to Chris Cairns was the wrong side of the line. Although this was in response to Cairns going on about his marital problems at the time.

 

[Jap Stammer]

In fact for all I've seen all the sledging anecdotes they're always told in good humour, never heard a *player* say they were wrong or out of order.

The vast, vast majority are.

There have, however, been occasions when it's got out of hand. Usually when the instigator takes umbrage at the response to their initial barbed comment(s). Glenn McGrath losing his rag at Ramnaresh Sarwan in the West Indies springs to mind. Plus the unsavoury incident in South Africa between David Warner and Quentin de Kock.

 

[sonson]

The vast, vast majority are.

There have, however, been occasions when it's got out of hand. Usually when the instigator takes umbrage at the response to their initial barbed comment(s). Glenn McGrath losing his rag at Ramnaresh Sarwan in the West Indies springs to mind. Plus the unsavoury incident in South Africa between David Warner and Quentin de Kock.

I'm not familiar with either of those off hand, I'll look them up

 

[Voice of fair play]

You ever played football or rugby in a city league? People routinely not only tell you they're going to kick the shit out of you, they then attempt to literally kick the shit out of you. The last inter-mural Edinburgh competition I played in the entire team from a notoriously stabby neighbourhood said they were going to wait after the match and chib us if we beat them

Excuse me if I don't get the f***ing vapours over professional sportsmen making empty threats and mind games at the crease

The problem is mate and has always been and always will be, is that fans are totally biased towards their team and see things through rose tinted glasses.

A player from their team does something and he ultra competitive and they love him for it.

A player from another team does something similar and they total wanker!

 

[Hetty]

Welcome back @MustardAndOnions

What are your thoughts on that series?

 

[MustardAndOnions]

Welcome back @MustardAndOnions

What are your thoughts on that series?

Best series I have watched tbh, unbelievable cricket in all 5 tests. I thought we were the better team, but it is revisionism to say we should have won this or that, Australia also had missed opportunities at Leeds and the Oval. It was that type of series where it ebbed and flowed.

I am still surprised by some negativity towards this team, I think the viewing figures and interest series say it all about how England play, people love it, and the test matches, you just cant take their eyes off it. The amount of times I had a look on here half way through a game and it was "Ashes was over"..."You cant play this way" etc

Chuffed for Crawley, always backed the lad, and he finally delivered more consistently for the team, there is not opener in English cricket more suited to how they play.

I thought all the top 7 selections came off well. They were undoubtedly rusty the first game, all of them, which I guess is an issue, Bairstow kept poorly first game I admit but kept really well last 3 games, took some blinders, and he scored the most runs ever by an English keeper in the ashes, averaging 40. people will be too stubborn to admit it tho.

As I say, an all time great series by Crawley, I love his partnership with Duckett, they compliment each other really well, Brook really looked the part in the end and obviously Stokes and Root were magnificent.

My only gripe about the whole series is I thought we were too stubborn with our bowling selections. The batting works, it does work, we have seen that for a year under Stokes n McCullum, but its the only thing that gets attention when we have a bad session. The thing that stopped us winning this series comfortably for me was a lack of penetration at key times with the ball, we still bowled well, the aussies averages shows that....

but on flat pitches, when you bat so quick and spend loads of time in the field, I think you need a more more pace n penetration.

Managed to go to all games, I was absolutely gutted about Manchester, and I think I still will be for a long time, imagine going into the Oval 2-2? would have been the biggest cricket game in a generation. So so unlucky.

 

[mikemanc]

Best series I have watched tbh, unbelievable cricket in all 5 tests. I thought we were the better team, but it is revisionism to say we should have won this or that, Australia also had missed opportunities at Leeds and the Oval. It was that type of series where it ebbed and flowed.

I am still surprised by some negativity towards this team, I think the viewing figures and interest series say it all about how England play, people love it, and the test matches, you just cant take their eyes off it. The amount of times I had a look on here half way through a game and it was "Ashes was over"..."You cant play this way" etc

Chuffed for Crawley, always backed the lad, and he finally delivered more consistently for the team, there is not opener in English cricket more suited to how they play.

I thought all the top 7 selections came off well. They were undoubtedly rusty the first game, all of them, which I guess is an issue, Bairstow kept poorly first game I admit but kept really well last 3 games, took some blinders, and he scored the most runs ever by an English keeper in the ashes, averaging 40. people will be too stubborn to admit it tho.

As I say, an all time great series by Crawley, I love his partnership with Duckett, they compliment each other really well, Brook really looked the part in the end and obviously Stokes and Root were magnificent.

My only gripe about the whole series is I thought we were too stubborn with our bowling selections. The batting works, it does work, we have seen that for a year under Stokes n McCullum, but its the only thing that gets attention when we have a bad session. The thing that stopped us winning this series comfortably for me was a lack of penetration at key times with the ball, we still bowled well, the aussies averages shows that....

but on flat pitches, when you bat so quick and spend loads of time in the field, I think you need a more more pace n penetration.

Managed to go to all games, I was absolutely gutted about Manchester, and I think I still will be for a long time, imagine going into the Oval 2-2? would have been the biggest cricket game in a generation. So so unlucky.

Negativity half way through a game is generous, it was like that half way through day 1!!

I worry about Bairstow's keeping but I think and hope it's a lack of practice issue. He did take some stunners and get better but his handling was a bit sloppy throughout. The biggest concern I have is the stunner Root took and a catch Brook took in the previous match. Bairstow didn't go for either when they were both the keeper's catch. That tells me his confidence in his keeping is really low no matter what front he puts on in public. That will come with games and hopefully the things like the Marsh catch lift him up.

As for the bowling, Jimmy and Robinson were below par, albeit Robinson's figures looked good. That happens, but I just don't get why we play those two and Broad together, there's just so little variety.