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Tony Mowbray

rentaghost said:
It is if the next bloke does better which is what they would be doing it for.
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IF. It's a ridiculous needless risk. Sunderland are well ahead of where they should be at the moment. Let Mowbray build on what he has achieved, truth be told he wasn't backed in January with the striker carry on and to sack him would be an absolute disgrace. Build on the success, don't dismantle it. He's got the place buzzing, players well up for it and playing some beautiful football. It's in no way pro active to sack Tony Mowbray.
 

GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
IF. It's a ridiculous needless risk. Sunderland are well ahead of where they should be at the moment. Let Mowbray build on what he has achieved, truth be told he wasn't backed in January with the striker carry on and to sack him would be an absolute disgrace. Build on the success, don't dismantle it. He's got the place buzzing, players well up for it and playing some beautiful football. It's in no way pro active to sack Tony Mowbray.
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If it isn’t broken don’t try to fix it!
 
if TM is pushed out then i think a few of the young players may leave also
The recruitment on the whole has been excellent and TM has managed the young lads very well , give it another season and lets go for top 6 again. IF Stewart fully recovers , we manage to keep all the players ~(apart diallo unfortunately), and add 2-3 Quality additions then we can have a crack at the top 2 IMO
 
billyboy said:
If it isn’t broken don’t try to fix it!
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This. It's an obsession with director of football models at many clubs, these people like to stick their noses in to try and justify their role & look "clever and cool" by trying to adopt a "foreign model" at the top clubs.

It's evidently clear "old school tony mowbray from Saltburn" doesn't fit in with the "foreign model" obsession that is the target at Sunderland. It's all very strange and totally needless and why I am generally bored with football. Look at Watford for example.
 
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
This. It's an obsession with director of football models at many clubs, these people like to stick their noses in to try and justify their role & look "clever and cool" by trying to adopt a "foreign model" at the top clubs.

It's evidently clear "old school tony mowbray from Saltburn" doesn't fit in with the "foreign model" obsession that is the target at Sunderland. It's all very strange and totally needless and why I am generally bored with football. Look at Watford for example.
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It’s a big risk to take. Mowbray has established a great team spirit and never say die attitude amongst the squad. He has won over lots of fans who doubted hi ability when he was appointed. That could all disappear in an instant if he was replaced.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
This. It's an obsession with director of football models at many clubs, these people like to stick their noses in to try and justify their role & look "clever and cool" by trying to adopt a "foreign model" at the top clubs.

It's evidently clear "old school tony mowbray from Saltburn" doesn't fit in with the "foreign model" obsession that is the target at Sunderland. It's all very strange and totally needless and why I am generally bored with football. Look at Watford for example.
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Who appointed him in the first place?
 
billyboy said:
It’s a big risk to take. Mowbray has established a great team spirit and never say die attitude amongst the squad. He has won over lots of fans who doubted hi ability when he was appointed. That could all disappear in an instant if he was replaced.
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It would be a risk to be fair, they keep taking risks, I'd consider a shed load of their decisions to be very brave and trying to be very clever.

As far as im concerned almost all of those decisions have turned out to be very clever and you don't get drastic change by settling I guess, of course, something will go wrong at some point and scores will be waiting with daggers in hand but the club has been crying out for a bright set out lad for the longest time, I couldn't be happier that we appear to have them.

Ultimately it won't be the coach who decides where we finish next season.
 
Club would lose a lot of what has been built this year. There is a connect between fans club and players. This talented team woukd be dismantled. Would be rediculous to replaced someone who has overachieved so massively.
 
twiglet said:
I'm surprised that this is being considered considering the impact that TM has. And I'd more than happily see what further progress he could make next season.

BUT, the club got absolutely shot with shit when they didn't have a replacement lined up when they got rid of Johnson. They learned from that and appointed Mowbray quickly when Neil left (it was clear that he was engaging with the club before Neil left).

So in their relatively short tenure the owners already have experience of having to appoint a manager when the current one underperforms or one leaves unexpectedly. Both situations point to the need for succession planning. Not that we have had much experience of it at Sunderland in the past, but you would expect a multi-million pound business to pay attention to that. You can see they are applying those principles to player recruitment, so why wouldn't they do the same with an even more important position?

While not actively setting out to ditch Mowbray, you could see them doing their research to prepare for the worst and coming across one or two prospects who a) completely fit what they're looking for and b) have such a buzz about them that it suggests they will be out of our league after their next job. So perhaps they feel there is a short window to nab such a prospect. One thing's for sure, they wouldn't do it if they didn't think it was a real opportunity to take the club forward. To the frustration of many, they're pretty tight with the purse strings. Would they really choose to pay up the final year of Mowbray's contract unless they think there is a compelling reasons to do so? I actually think - if there is any truth to this - they might try to offer Mowbray another role at the club.

Replacing Mowbray with an unknown European manager could of course be a disastrous. But maybe, just maybe, this is what sensible, professional, well planned ambition really looks like...
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But surely the club will be largely content with the feeling that Mowbray won’t be going anywhere. It’s not like Alex Neil where they must have known about the discontent (look at the relationship between Neil and KLD evident at Wembley at the royal box) and the huge possibility he would jump ship as soon as he could. TM has made it clear he is happy, he lives local, he won’t command huge wages and seemingly doesn’t cause the board any problems and has bought into the system. I’d rather have Mowbray here next season confident that given his age and locality he will not be prised away by another side (barring Boro if Carrick leaves) than an upcoming young prospect of a coach which would no doubt end in tears either way, complete failure or short term success to see him whisked away by someone in a better position than us.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
This. It's an obsession with director of football models at many clubs, these people like to stick their noses in to try and justify their role & look "clever and cool" by trying to adopt a "foreign model" at the top clubs.

It's evidently clear "old school tony mowbray from Saltburn" doesn't fit in with the "foreign model" obsession that is the target at Sunderland. It's all very strange and totally needless and why I am generally bored with football. Look at Watford for example.
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Spot on
 
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if anything they should be extending his contract a year.

The place was buzzing this season, he took some huge gambles with the teams he picked, and nearly all came up trumps. The recruitment team fucked up massively in January, virtually undoing all of the good work they had done by not signing a striker yet signing Joffy, who will go down as one of the worst performing loan players we have ever had (and there is a low benchmark on that one, thanks Everton), and despite that we came so close.
 
Slightly concerning that I've seen a few posts saying the club will have noticed the £25 million compensation Brighton got for Potter and take note as if its a consideration?

Wouldn't a better idea to be looking at it as a coach that can build on these foundations, take us to the next level and beyond?
 
Hugh Gains said:
Didn't want him initially but I'd stick with him to keep the harmony and flowing football.

He's been asked difficult questions of late but ultimately it was which dwarf to play where and which square object to put in a circle hole.

The injuries to Batth, Ballard, Stewart and Evans were crippling and we've still achieved something special.

Big questions to be pointed at the owner because if we go a third window without addressing the depth, it's a problem
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We had 4 centre half's plus onien and cirkin and our best youth player is a centre half. That's not lack of depth.

Centre forward is a fair criticisim
Exapno Mapcase said:
Ah right, I wouldn't have played wing backs either, I was just wondering who else would play wing back not commentingbon a different formation.
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You could have played huggins and Gooch as wing backs and one of the two centre backs on the bench at centre back.
 
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houghton cut head said:
if anything they should be extending his contract a year.

The place was buzzing this season, he took some huge gambles with the teams he picked, and nearly all came up trumps. The recruitment team fucked up massively in January, virtually undoing all of the good work they had done by not signing a striker yet signing Joffy, who will go down as one of the worst performing loan players we have ever had (and there is a low benchmark on that one, thanks Everton), and despite that we came so close.
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You have a very short memory if you class Gelhart as one of worst performing loan players we have had.
Vokins
Clarke Salter
Lee Camp et al.
ALS ran an article in November 2020 which had about 10 players on it. All of these made absolutely zero contribution to the club. Gelhart is a worker, he gets stuck in, doesn't hide, he will do ok as a professional. As his touch and confidence improves he will become more effective.
Probably not for us and maybe not in the Premier League but he will do ok. Reminds me a bit of Jordan Rhodes and Ashley Barnes.
 
SAFC Billog said:
This. Massive summer coming up. Get it wrong and we could end up doing what happened to Huddersfield this season after getting to the PO final last year. Very hard for the fans to trust the model given what the club has been through in recent times. Losing Amad, Joffy, potentially losing Pato, Ballard, Cirkin, Clarke and Stewart. Then getting rid of a manager who has the likes of Roberts playing some of his best football since his Celtic days feels like it’s going to be something like a near full rebuild job in the summer as opposed to just strengthening the current crop.
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If we lost all them players we'd probably be looking at best part of £40m in transfer fees, if not more. That is not at all what happened st Huddersfield, they lost everybody for about £10m.
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
IF. It's a ridiculous needless risk. Sunderland are well ahead of where they should be at the moment. Let Mowbray build on what he has achieved, truth be told he wasn't backed in January with the striker carry on and to sack him would be an absolute disgrace. Build on the success, don't dismantle it. He's got the place buzzing, players well up for it and playing some beautiful football. It's in no way pro active to sack Tony Mowbray.
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Crazy man that people want rid of Mowbray for a manager who has never managed over here. If it goes tits up and we finished mid table, the same people will be saying "I think we should have just kept Mowbray"
 
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