stan the man
Striker
Sorry, but who is the 'we' you mean?
Because 3rd is not settled yet, Boro or Luton, even Sheff Utd with a collapse
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Sorry, but who is the 'we' you mean?
Because 3rd is not settled yet, Boro or Luton, even Sheff Utd with a collapse
seahamstar
Striker
Oh dear, oh dear.
If by 'the lower leagues' you mean the third tier then are you seriously suggesting that's Boro's 'level'?
The level that we've spent TWO seasons in , in our entire history.
And Sunderland..........???
Something of a myth this and I’m such an anorak I had to check. The side finishing in the top play off place in second tier (not counting those first two when they had a top flight side in them) has gone up more than one time in three (12/34 on my count back). Which is better than any other position (but still pretty much in “lottery” territory). Although it’s a bit irrelevant to this thread as Boro must be odds on to finish fourth (8/34 if you’re bothered).I have a feeling that the 3rd place finisher has a horrific record of winning the playoffs
Banks
Striker
And the accurate source for the clubs accounts that I have mentioned is last years. All show Boro don't pay PL wages.
30m show we are no where near what PL clubs pay. Which is what you claimed.
Back to the lower leagues? We have spent 2 seasons in our entire history outside the top 2 divisions. We aren't a lower league club.
Thank you.
So you admitted we don't pay PL wages, but now we don't pay Championship wages either
Ok let's play your game then.
So do Bournemouth pay premier league wages?
They pay nowhere near Man City level wages but they are in the bracket according to your logic.
A handful of championship sides still recieve parachute payments.
Then you have Boro
Then you have the rest of the league. The rest of the league is championship wages. Boro aren't in the bracket so what are you paying?
Name me one championship club paying what you pay in wages who aren't recieving parachute payments?
Footballs moved on it's all about turnover now. Boro don't have the turnover without Gibson..no owner who isn't a Boro fan will be interested in buying from Gibson have you've been heavily propped up since the 90s.
Take Gibson out the equation so do you really think you arent going down?
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stan the man
Striker
I never checked
...just had that thought about 3rdI totally agree with your 'lottery' quote though all 4 teams this year at least are pretty even. After the semis if 6th beat 3rd then that 6th team essentially become favorite in the final.
wev17
Winger
What do you define as PL wages? to give your argument the best possible chance of being correct I used the bottom PL clubs from last season. All paid loads more than Boro.
As mentioned above, we can only use last season (as that is what accounts are available) Forest last season paid £37m in wages without parachute payments.
Blackburn, Sheff Wed, Bristol City, Reading have all paid more or similar to boro without parachute payments in last 2/3 seasons - check it.
I think finishing 3rd this season might be a harder ride? this season there is a glut of clubs with good squads who have under performed this season, Millwall and Luton (in my opinion) lack a bit of quality, have made themselves very difficult to beat, keep a good shape and scrap for every lose ball, once they go behind, they struggle, as they have to come out and attack.
Banks
Striker
No I won't check it. As last time your source was embarrassing
It's quite obvious.
If the majority of the league are paying similar figures for wages and a handful of clubs are paying more then they are paying more than championship standard wages.
Of course they are paying less than premier league clubs as they don't have the turnover.
You have 4 premier league players in your starting 11 but you think your paying championship wages
Get Into Em
Striker
Finding it a little bit cringeworthy that people are arguing about whether Boro has 'Premier League Wages'. To put this to an end:
It's reported Boro spend £13.5m p/a on wages - the 8th highest in the Championship and almost half of leaders Watford. Even when using a source that has Premier League wage bills much lower than others, this would rank them 20th in the Premier League in terms of wages expenditure. To put this into perspective, despite Brentford and Leeds also having wage bills of less than £20m, these are massive outliers. Boro's wage bill is less than half of Brighton's who rank 18th in the 'wage bill league'.
When using the source that has Brentford and Leeds on relatively low wages, you'd have more of an argument that Brentford and Leeds have Championship level wages too, given 6 clubs in the Championship reportedly spend more on wages than Brentford (notably not Boro though) - rather than Boro having Premier League level wages.
None of the arguments above even take into account that there's a separate source that has Brentford (ranked 20th) are paying £33m p/a - 2.5x more than Boro.
Even if the argument was regarding Watford rather than Boro (league leaders on Wage expenditure), you'd still struggle to argue that they're on 'Premier League wages'.
It's reported Boro spend £13.5m p/a on wages - the 8th highest in the Championship and almost half of leaders Watford. Even when using a source that has Premier League wage bills much lower than others, this would rank them 20th in the Premier League in terms of wages expenditure. To put this into perspective, despite Brentford and Leeds also having wage bills of less than £20m, these are massive outliers. Boro's wage bill is less than half of Brighton's who rank 18th in the 'wage bill league'.
When using the source that has Brentford and Leeds on relatively low wages, you'd have more of an argument that Brentford and Leeds have Championship level wages too, given 6 clubs in the Championship reportedly spend more on wages than Brentford (notably not Boro though) - rather than Boro having Premier League level wages.
None of the arguments above even take into account that there's a separate source that has Brentford (ranked 20th) are paying £33m p/a - 2.5x more than Boro.
Even if the argument was regarding Watford rather than Boro (league leaders on Wage expenditure), you'd still struggle to argue that they're on 'Premier League wages'.
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wev17
Winger
The championship is like any other league, there is a range of wages paid. Boro are one of the clubs. Your whole point is flawed. Give it up.
No shit!
- That's the point!
oriss
Full Back
I got band from the site for not towing the anti British line, so we're not all weird smoggies.They don’t like Hank on that forum
Then again it is dominated by leftie woke righteous snowflakes who are ashamed that they are British, weird fookers smoggies
Banks
Striker
The championship is like any other league, there is a range of wages paid. Boro are one of the clubs. Your whole point is flawed. Give it up.
No shit!
So Haaland on 500k a week is your typical premier league wage is it?
He's playing the premier league so he's on premier league wages is he not?
It looks like either Boro or Luton to go up by the playoffs, unless we edge into the playoffs on terrific form.
wev17
Winger
I seriously don't know what you are saying? you said Boro paid PL wages. I said they don't and proved they didn't - which you have since admitted you were wrong. Now you are banging on about Haaland being on 500k?
Yeah agree, the FMTTM site is full of lefty Geography teacher type people, many conservative voters have left (forced out) plenty are typical woke's, the (they also have mates who join in discussions and back each other up) Come on Boro form is full of young lads (ends up in arguments and they end up offering each other out) the OneBoro is not too bad, you get a mix of decent people on there who don't bring politics into it, (they respect you have your beliefs and opinions ) or act aggressiveThey don’t like Hank on that forum
Then again it is dominated by leftie woke righteous snowflakes who are ashamed that they are British, weird fookers smoggies
Banks
Striker
Well Boro do pay premier League wages.
What league does Giles, Ramsey, Iversen and Archer play in?
Then you have big money signings like the Australian lad and Akprom and Forrs.
Your turnover is less than than your wage cost.
So if your wages are higher than a championship sides turnover who finished 7th and had a good cup run, how does that happen?
Please explain to me how you are paying championship wages when your championship revenue can't afford the wage bill Einstein
Bournemouth couldnt afford Haalands wages. So Why is that when they are both in the same league? You know the basis of your stupid argument.
Forget the facts and figures of your debt ridden club you pay less than Norwich so you must pay championship wages, snigger
wev17
Winger
I'll explain this really clearly to you, for the last time. You said we pay PL wages and specifically used the fact that our wage bill was £28m for last season as proof of this. I disagreed and countered this by saying the likes of Norwich, Burnley, Watford etc had a much bigger wage bill than that in the PL. More than double in fact. You even then said -
You have now reverted to -
You are lost mate and are now banging on about Boro having a higher wages than certain championship sides to try prove your 'PL wage' point. Best to bow out
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You are lost mate and are now banging on about Boro having a higher wages than certain championship sides to try prove your 'PL wage' point. Best to bow out
Dundas street kid
Central Defender
as WE are on a Sunderland forum i thought that the WE would have been apparent.Sorry, but who is the 'we' you mean?
Because 3rd is not settled yet, Boro or Luton, even Sheff Utd with a collapse
