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The Safety of Fans in the North Stand


Reading the RAWA minutes, the club seem to think that rail seating will help. If so, why the fuck are they not doing it until 2024/2025?
 
tony_not_in_london said:
I’m not exactly sure why you think there would need to be extensive permissions to install a net that could catch most of the objects which have been hurled from the North Stand Upper?

It is not as if it is a practical egress from the upper tier to jump ?30/40ft to the seats below?

Assuming the net is fire proof/flame retardant it hardly makes the stand unsafe?

If the league cannot see that the slight compromise of view for away supporters is outweighed by home supporters in the lower tier not having flares, bottles, vapes, coins etc rain down on them at most matches then you would have to question their sanity.

Safety nets have been rapidly deployed at grounds very similar in size to ours across Europe eg De Kuip in Rotterdam.

The cost is a small fraction of the club’s turnover and considerably less than we pay most first team players on an annual basis

And if necessary it could be retracted for the handful on concerts at the SoL every year.

So I really am struggling to understand why on Earth the club have not just ordered one and got on with it.

They seem determined to make this as difficult as possible and in the meantime at every match there is the real risk of a very serious injury or worse.
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I take your points, but it does not matter what your or I imagine or assume. What matters is what is the permissions actually needed if any. They might not, I can only think logically and because a safety certificate is needed, that permission will be needed from them.

How many stadiums in the uk have nets up for example.

On radio now. woman also hit by £1 coin as well as flare
 
soapster said:
I take your points, but it does not matter what your or I imagine or assume. What matters is what is the permissions actually needed if any. They might not, I can only think logically and because a safety certificate is needed, that permission will be needed from them.

How many stadiums in the uk have nets up for example.

On radio now. woman also hit by £1 coin as well as flare
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The question is not how many other stadiums have nets up but how many other clubs have had to deal with missiles being thrown from a great height onto fans below on at least five times this season?

This is an very serious accident waiting to happen.

A net IMPROVES the safety of thousands of spectators sat below the area from which missiles have been thrown consistently and on numerous occasions.

So I cannot imagine a Safety Certificate issued by Sunderland Building Control should be anything other than a formality? Assuming we would get it professionally installed (and nobody suggests fans turn up with their toolkit).

Then I’m not sure on what grounds the EFL could object. Do they have an alternative practical suggestion to ensure fans are safe? Well?
 
soapster said:
it does not.

Can it ever in these circumstances.

I suspect that there are a lot of hoops to jump through re some sort of protective barrier with a number of organisations that will have to be consulted.

In a game where audiences are in attendance, it is presumed that the supporters will behave.

as ive said before, the people to blame are those that throw the objects. as in most cases the innocent parties will have to abide by the rules. Only way to truly stop the threat of items being thrown, is to ban all away supporters. (Items were regularly thrown from the south stand at our players, when away were in the southstand). any other way of stopping is not really 100% effective, unless you put up perspex screen but that will need a lot of permissions.

we dont know what the figures are for items being thrown. Is it every game, every second game or whatever. The response is down to the occurrences. There is no silver bullet
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If knife crime was a persistent issue at a night club what would happen?
 
tony_not_in_london said:
The question is not how many other stadiums have nets up but how many other clubs have had to deal with missiles being thrown from a great height onto fans below on at least five times this season?

This is an very serious accident waiting to happen.

A net IMPROVES the safety of thousands of spectators sat below the area from which missiles have been thrown consistently and on numerous occasions.

So I cannot imagine a Safety Certificate issued by Sunderland Building Control should be anything other than a formality? Assuming we would get it professionally installed (and nobody suggests fans turn up with their toolkit).

Then I’m not sure on what grounds the EFL could object. Do they have an alternative practical suggestion to ensure fans are safe? Well?
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It'll take time though. It will need to be designed, priced, someone appointed to install it, approved by planning perhaps and then installed.
 
gipetto said:
Yep.

Mag Villa game
A story about a mouse that rescued a cat
Away fans hoying things at the SoL
Boro result
Hartlepool
Carlisle
Durham Ladies
A newspaper that was never delivered in 1965 has finally been posted through the fella's letterbox
Sunderland beat Birmingham after hacking their way to a win and hanging on for much of the game
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They also said we are playing WBA on Saturday, f*cking clueless
 
gipetto said:
I can't recall this being an issue until league one and this season, what's changed? Less security/police? Or people?
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Mainly people, I think. There's been a massive resurgence in trouble at matches nationwide since lockdown ended. Whether it's something weird about the psychological impact of lockdown, or simply that the country is flooded with ludicrously cheap cocaine, I don't know.
 
Frankel said:
If knife crime was a persistent issue at a night club what would happen?
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Exactly. It's like telling people they don't have to wear a seatbelt until they have a serious accident. Barmy
Grumpy Old Man said:
Mainly people, I think. There's been a massive resurgence in trouble at matches nationwide since lockdown ended. Whether it's something weird about the psychological impact of lockdown, or simply that the country is flooded with ludicrously cheap cocaine, I don't know.
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Likely the latter mate
 
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