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The Safety of Fans in the North Stand

TravellingMackem said:
Yet no one would be at risk of dying if they moved seats, which is more than can be said for those sat in the north stand getting pelted with metal objects from 300 feet above.

I’m sure the club are more than capable of moving people around to please everyone. Put the away fans in the SWC and keep the south stand together. That’s how the stadium was designed initially with the segregation in place down there, cells, stadium control, etc., all in place for the incidents to be in that area of the stadium.

Throwing something 10 yards sideways is significantly less dangerous than throwing something from 300+ feet up into the air onto people that can’t see it coming, and you know that. So don’t act like a prat.
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300 feet 🤣🤣
 

riffraff said:
They’ll certainly won’t win when someone is killed due to the clubs obsession with not spending money

doesnt deserve an answer
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it obviously does not because nobody is blaming that moron. people blaming the club, people saying it looks canny but shame it was thrown.
the person to blame is the moron who threw it and who ever brought it into the ground. It was a premeditated act.
The club has a duty to protect, but does it now mean that every single ground in the country that puts supporters in the upper tier will have to take protection against potential wrong doers of this sort.
TravellingMackem said:
Yet no one would be at risk of dying if they moved seats, which is more than can be said for those sat in the north stand getting pelted with metal objects from 300 feet above.

I’m sure the club are more than capable of moving people around to please everyone. Put the away fans in the SWC and keep the south stand together. That’s how the stadium was designed initially with the segregation in place down there, cells, stadium control, etc., all in place for the incidents to be in that area of the stadium.

Throwing something 10 yards sideways is significantly less dangerous than throwing something from 300+ feet up into the air onto people that can’t see it coming, and you know that. So don’t act like a prat.
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no it was not designed like that. SWC became because a group of like minded fans. The south stand was the away supporters with moving into into the SEC when limits had to be stretched. The north stand never really took off and most of the noise came from the SWC
 
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CaptainRed said:
You are safer sitting in the North Stand than you are getting to and from the match or being in the pub beforehand. The club aren't going to spend a fortune on fixing a problem that isn't really there, and tbf to them, they haven't.


Best of luck!
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Lovely kebab, then fell asleep in front of the TV 🤣🤣
 
soapster said:
it obviously does not because nobody is blaming that moron. people blaming the club, people saying it looks canny but shame it was thrown.
the person to blame is the moron who threw it and who ever brought it into the ground. It was a premeditated act.
The club has a duty to protect, but does it now mean that every single ground in the country that puts supporters in the upper tier will have to take protection against potential wrong doers of this sort.

no it was not designed like that. SWC became because a group of like minded fans. The south stand was the away supporters with moving into into the SEC when limits had to be stretched. The north stand never really took off and most of the noise came from the SWC
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You genuinely believe no one blames the thrower? Are you sure?
 
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Blyth said:
300 feet 🤣🤣
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Care to provide a more accurate estimate of the height of the north stand upper?
soapster said:
it obviously does not because nobody is blaming that moron. people blaming the club, people saying it looks canny but shame it was thrown.
the person to blame is the moron who threw it and who ever brought it into the ground. It was a premeditated act.
The club has a duty to protect, but does it now mean that every single ground in the country that puts supporters in the upper tier will have to take protection against potential wrong doers of this sort.

no it was not designed like that. SWC became because a group of like minded fans. The south stand was the away supporters with moving into into the SEC when limits had to be stretched. The north stand never really took off and most of the noise came from the SWC
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It was designed to have a fan “border” between the SS and the SWC. Doesn’t really matter which way round you have the home and aways in that area. If you want them off camera then SWC achieves that. This is more from an infrastructure than fan placing POV anyway
 
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Problem is they looked at moving the fans back down and everywhere that they could of moved them to there was an objection by someone. The council refused to allow them back in the south stand or either of the courners at the south end due to the sheepfolds developement and access issues arising from that. Safety should be a priority yes but unfortunatly the club cant win no matter what they do in this case
 
Walter H. White said:
Another game, more missiles thrown down on to the Sunderland fans in the North Stand.

Coventry fans once again showing themselves up after acting all innocent in the build up to the game.

We need action to prevent this from happening again.

Coventry should get zero allocation when they next visit. It’s every time with them.
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Ooh don't mention safety on here, there's a couple of posters when I said Blackpool only having a small entrance/exit was an accident waiting to happen, replied " Did you report it, if not any accident is on your head".🙄
 
TravellingMackem said:
Care to provide a more accurate estimate of the height of the north stand upper?

It was designed to have a fan “border” between the SS and the SWC. Doesn’t really matter which way round you have the home and aways in that area. If you want them off camera then SWC achieves that. This is more from an infrastructure than fan placing POV anyway
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SWC is a non starter as the executive boxes are directly above...and accessible, few mags took the piss one derby, and a bloke jumped from the West Stand into one, they barricaded themselves in and locked the doors whilst he was hammering on the windows!
 
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Blyth said:
Not nearly a 100 metres man. Ha’way :lol:

Spurs stadium is only 33 metres. Are you saying the SOL is 3 times higher?
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Please provide dimensions against which future statements can be ratified then?

You also get that an objects flight path also includes a lateral element too right?
The Shepherd said:
SWC is a non starter as the executive boxes are directly above...and accessible, few mags took the piss one derby, and a bloke jumped from the West Stand into one, they barricaded themselves in and locked the doors whilst he was hammering on the windows!
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Couldn’t give a shit where you put them tbh, plenty of areas, but over the top of home fans is asking for someone to get seriously injured.
 
TravellingMackem said:
Yet no one would be at risk of dying if they moved seats, which is more than can be said for those sat in the north stand getting pelted with metal objects from 300 feet above.

I’m sure the club are more than capable of moving people around to please everyone. Put the away fans in the SWC and keep the south stand together. That’s how the stadium was designed initially with the segregation in place down there, cells, stadium control, etc., all in place for the incidents to be in that area of the stadium.

Throwing something 10 yards sideways is significantly less dangerous than throwing something from 300+ feet up into the air onto people that can’t see it coming, and you know that. So don’t act like a prat.
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No need for the name calling or insults, the point im making is the potential is still, and more chance it could face or eyes, unless the club introduces better searching of fans and eject/ban anyone caught the problem will remain regardless of seating position
 
Henry_Hill said:
No need for the name calling or insults, the point im making is the potential is still, and more chance it could face or eyes, unless the club introduces better searching of fans and eject/ban anyone caught the problem will remain regardless of seating position
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The risk would be hugely reduced by having them the same level as the home fans, immediately. Now I'm no Physicist but the velocity of something coming straight down 100 feet onto someone's head is far greater than something flying sideways
 
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Ark said:
Ooh don't mention safety on here, there's a couple of posters when I said Blackpool only having a small entrance/exit was an accident waiting to happen, replied " Did you report it, if not any accident is on your head".🙄
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That whole stand at Blackpool is a death trap. Utterly ridiculous it’s still open
Tmm24 said:
Problem is they looked at moving the fans back down and everywhere that they could of moved them to there was an objection by someone. The council refused to allow them back in the south stand or either of the courners at the south end due to the sheepfolds developement and access issues arising from that. Safety should be a priority yes but unfortunatly the club cant win no matter what they do in this case
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They could go into the NEC but it would be costly.
 
Henry_Hill said:
No need for the name calling or insults, the point im making is the potential is still, and more chance it could face or eyes, unless the club introduces better searching of fans and eject/ban anyone caught the problem will remain regardless of seating position
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You are acting an absolute prat by suggesting that the risk is the same wherever you throw something. Very basic physics says there is a significant velocity increase when throwing from height, unless we’ve got Hercules throwing something at us from the away end?

Attempting to ridicule arguments about something as serious as this with your ad absurdium approach is prat-like behaviour however you want to phrase it
Tmm24 said:
Problem is they looked at moving the fans back down and everywhere that they could of moved them to there was an objection by someone. The council refused to allow them back in the south stand or either of the courners at the south end due to the sheepfolds developement and access issues arising from that. Safety should be a priority yes but unfortunatly the club cant win no matter what they do in this case
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That’s absolutely and categorically not true and I have confirmation of the lack of a council objection in writing from the clubs safety officer.
Hank Scorpio said:
I’ve sat in the North Stand for years, but we’ve called time for next season and moved elsewhere in the SOL.

It’s a shame as it’s a good seat but I can’t be arsed anymore with the risk of stuff being chucked.

As I posted last night, it was pure luck the smoke bomb didn’t land in the home end
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It’s pathetic really that the club are forcing season ticket holders who’ve sat in their seat since the beginning of time to move for safety reasons. I specifically sat in the north stand in 1997 as it was as far away from the trouble and away fans as possible. Then 20+ years later they’re brought to us without any consultation whatsoever
 
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TravellingMackem said:
You are acting an absolute prat by suggesting that the risk is the same wherever you throw something. Very basic physics says there is a significant velocity increase when throwing from height, unless we’ve got Hercules throwing something at us from the away end?

Attempting to ridicule arguments about something as serious as this with your ad absurdium approach is prat-like behaviour however you want to phrase it

That’s absolutely and categorically not true and I have confirmation of the lack of a council objection in writing from the clubs safety officer.

It’s pathetic really that the club are forcing season ticket holders who’ve sat in their seat since the beginning of time to move for safety reasons. I specifically sat in the north stand in 1997 as it was as far away from the trouble and away fans as possible. Then 20+ years later they’re brought to us without any consultation whatsoever
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Harldy trying ridicule a problem the club and fans face, just saying moving away fans simply wont end the problem
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
The risk would be hugely reduced by having them the same level as the home fans, immediately. Now I'm no Physicist but the velocity of something coming straight down 100 feet onto someone's head is far greater than something flying sideways
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Very true mate, but until so action is taking, eg punishing club by reducing allocation etc the problem will remain, severity might decrease but serious injury could still occur
 
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