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Nelson! said:
How much of that is his fault for not rocking the boat though? I think given where we were mid-January he could probably have pressured the club to bring someone in if he’d wanted to. Even a “Plan B” big lump.

You can’t go along willingly with the notion of not singing players who don’t fit perfectly, then a few weeks later complain you weren’t given the right tools.
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By not rocking the boat I meant he hasn’t thrown his toys out of the pram. Yes he’s mentioned we haven’t got the tools to do the job and bemoaned not having a focal point in press conferences but I can think of a few managers who would do and say a lot more in similar circumstances.

I think for the ambitions of the owners and the stage of Mowbray’s career it just suits both parties perfectly.
 
After QPR he was the best manager we had ever had on here. Then he has a run if 4 (yes 4!) games where :

We draw with a strong Bristol C side to an unlucky pen

Lose slimly to Rotherham with dubious refereeing

Lose slimly to a strong Coventry side

Get battered by Stoke in typical Sunderland fashion, but with a team of kids who’ve been playing in a hard league back to back games since Christmas

As a result:

Mowbray on borrowed time
Gelhart is useless
We need to get Harry Gardiner playing
Mowbray is tactically inept
We’re a weak side

Oh, classic Sunderland bed wetting.

Have we not learned over the years that peddling manager after manager, going all Edvard Munch face every time we have a bad run, slagging off the players, attacking the recruitment team, moaning about the transfer window etc etc etc doesn’t work

What do folk want? I bet I’d be able to find posts from August that said ‘let’s just enjoy this season’, ‘21st place will do me’, ‘hope we don’t get battered every week’ , ‘at least we aren’t in League one’

It’s March, we’ve won more games than we’ve lost. We are playing the most entertaining football we’ve played for years, the manager is experienced and cares, most of the players are amazing prospects.

Give them a break, man

Top half of the Championship is brilliant. If we lose more than we win this season at least we did better than nearly everyone expected.

FTM
 
I sort of think the recent blip makes him safer. If he leaves replacing him is a ball ache. It means Speakman has to make a big call when he's on the back foot. I'll defend Speakman but if Mowbray cops it based on performances since January it's weak and unfair. It's hardly showing faith in the model or a long term plan.

If we'd got into the play offs and only looked a couple of players short of a genuine challenge for the automatics next season there might have more of an appetite to take a punt on a younger, more glamorous model.
 
Tyrion Lannister said:
After QPR he was the best manager we had ever had on here. Then he has a run if 4 (yes 4!) games where :

We draw with a strong Bristol C side to an unlucky pen

Lose slimly to Rotherham with dubious refereeing

Lose slimly to a strong Coventry side

Get battered by Stoke in typical Sunderland fashion, but with a team of kids who’ve been playing in a hard league back to back games since Christmas

As a result:

Mowbray on borrowed time
Gelhart is useless
We need to get Harry Gardiner playing
Mowbray is tactically inept
We’re a weak side

Oh, classic Sunderland bed wetting.

Have we not learned over the years that peddling manager after manager, going all Edvard Munch face every time we have a bad run, slagging off the players, attacking the recruitment team, moaning about the transfer window etc etc etc doesn’t work

What do folk want? I bet I’d be able to find posts from August that said ‘let’s just enjoy this season’, ‘21st place will do me’, ‘hope we don’t get battered every week’ , ‘at least we aren’t in League one’

It’s March, we’ve won more games than we’ve lost. We are playing the most entertaining football we’ve played for years, the manager is experienced and cares, most of the players are amazing prospects.

Give them a break, man

Top half of the Championship is brilliant. If we lose more than we win this season at least we did better than nearly everyone expected.

FTM
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I can’t remember anyone saying Mowbray was the best manager we’ve ever had, certainly not post QPR away where the 0-3 probably slightly flattered us.

We lost to both Rotherham and Coventry because they bullied us off the park and then were humiliated to the point of embarrassment against Stoke recording our worst home loss in the league for years.

The kids that have been playing week after week since Christmas are in the side because Mowbray keeps picking them while choosing not to select others who continue to warm the bench.

I’m not saying he should be sacked and I feel he’s done an excellent job overall which has now been made extremely difficult by the recruitment teams’ failures in January.

As far the top half of the championship being “excellent” I’d argue that Burnley apart there’s no outstanding sides. Competitive yes but excellent quality not for me.

With the addition of a competent forward and cover for Evans in January I think we’d have had an excellent chance of a top six finish.
 
Some absolute nonsense in here like.

100% yea. Done a great job so far under difficult circumstances. Would love him to have a fully fit squad with additional strikers next season.
 
Be Here Now said:
Hope he's ready for the flak that comes his way if we dont go up in next couple of seasons
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If we carry on with ridged strategy with no room for manoeuvre when market forces and external changes demand he won't be the one getting most of the grief. The end of this season is currently a shit show and if it continues we need to get off to a flying start or the penny will drop for many.
 
Scootsie said:
What’s all this ‘yes man’ shite about?
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It may be due to his closeness to the board before AN went. He was in directors area watching games home and away. He's also very close to recruitment team. His age, location and availability when he came mean he's grateful for the role. That all means he's less likely to "rock the boat". Having said all that he has been speaking a lot about strikers (or lack of) recently so maybe even a "yes man" can be unhappy with transfer business.
 
Alfa said:
I can’t remember anyone saying Mowbray was the best manager we’ve ever had, certainly not post QPR away where the 0-3 probably slightly flattered us.

We lost to both Rotherham and Coventry because they bullied us off the park and then were humiliated to the point of embarrassment against Stoke recording our worst home loss in the league for years.

The kids that have been playing week after week since Christmas are in the side because Mowbray keeps picking them while choosing not to select others who continue to warm the bench.

I’m not saying he should be sacked and I feel he’s done an excellent job overall which has now been made extremely difficult by the recruitment teams’ failures in January.

As far the top half of the championship being “excellent” I’d argue that Burnley apart there’s no outstanding sides. Competitive yes but excellent quality not for me.

With the addition of a competent forward and cover for Evans in January I think we’d have had an excellent chance of a top six finish.
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QED
 
Tyrion Lannister said:
After QPR he was the best manager we had ever had on here. Then he has a run if 4 (yes 4!) games where :

We draw with a strong Bristol C side to an unlucky pen

Lose slimly to Rotherham with dubious refereeing

Lose slimly to a strong Coventry side

Get battered by Stoke in typical Sunderland fashion, but with a team of kids who’ve been playing in a hard league back to back games since Christmas

As a result:

Mowbray on borrowed time
Gelhart is useless
We need to get Harry Gardiner playing
Mowbray is tactically inept
We’re a weak side

Oh, classic Sunderland bed wetting.

Have we not learned over the years that peddling manager after manager, going all Edvard Munch face every time we have a bad run, slagging off the players, attacking the recruitment team, moaning about the transfer window etc etc etc doesn’t work

What do folk want? I bet I’d be able to find posts from August that said ‘let’s just enjoy this season’, ‘21st place will do me’, ‘hope we don’t get battered every week’ , ‘at least we aren’t in League one’

It’s March, we’ve won more games than we’ve lost. We are playing the most entertaining football we’ve played for years, the manager is experienced and cares, most of the players are amazing prospects.

Give them a break, man

Top half of the Championship is brilliant. If we lose more than we win this season at least we did better than nearly everyone expected.

FTM
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He was never the best manager on here. That’s a stupid comment.
 
Yes and I fancy we'll go close providing we adequately plug the holes in the squad, which I think we will. We might not quite get promoted but we'll still have made progress.
 
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