Put a flat earthier into space

[nahwee]

If it's a story backed with no real proof then I can accept it or I can question it however way I feel and I do not have to believe it until I get proof.
Just because a majority might accept or believe a story without proof does not give them an argument for facts, just an argument based on the story told.

Nope.
The majority accept it because there is proof.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I think this last bit is interesting.
He has said he's had his eyes opened since about 15/16 years ago. Used to believe it was a globe but then slowly realised...
Coincidentally the rise of youtube was about 15/16 years ago.

To be totally fair the rise of the internet itself has given rise to many questions and many people who buy into many things, without knowing the reality.
I've been offered so many youtube videos as an argument against my not accepting a globe. It's no different for anyone, including yourself.
If I see a video or even a storyline that offers an alternative insight then I can look into it and argue based on it just like you do based on lots of this kind of stuff.
No different for all.

I might be wrong in my assumption, but as I've said previously on here, though relevant again, I'd expect he went down a bit of a rabbit hole.

Of course.
To go against the accepted mainstream grain a person has to go down a rabbit hole.

Convenient explanations, suddenly makes more sense than something that requires a bit of education to understand (we've saw earlier his lack of understanding of how education/higher education/further education etc works).

The convenient explanations come from the global side. It's all on a plate whether you agree or not.

 

[What A Waster]

To be totally fair the rise of the internet itself has given rise to many questions and many people who buy into many things, without knowing the reality.
I've been offered so many youtube videos as an argument against my not accepting a globe. It's no different for anyone, including yourself.
If I see a video or even a storyline that offers an alternative insight then I can look into it and argue based on it just like you do based on lots of this kind of stuff.
No different for all.

Of course.
To go against the accepted mainstream grain a person has to go down a rabbit hole.

The convenient explanations come from the global side. It's all on a plate whether you agree or not.

Nahhh

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

The convenient explanations come from the global side. It's all on a plate whether you agree or not.

It's on a plate because it's been studied, tested and understood for centuries.
This invalidates none of it.
Accepting it does not mean accepting without proof. The proof is all still there for anyone who actually looks rather than claims to.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Nope.
The majority accept it because there is proof.

Nope, the majority accept it because that's the nature of people. To go with the accepted flow of a story, especially if questioning it becomes almost taboo.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

The convenient explanations come from the global side. It's all on a plate whether you agree or not.

...and the flip side of that is that there are no convenient explanations for your side because it's utter nonsense.

Nope, the majority accept it because that's the nature of people. To go with the accepted flow of a story, especially if questioning it becomes almost taboo.

Majority is not the same as "all"

 

[Nukehasslefan]

It's on a plate because it's been studied, tested and understood for centuries.

And that's what you take from the story. The truth is you are reliant on just that.

This invalidates none of it.
Accepting it does not mean accepting without proof.

I agree if you have the proof. If not then you are accepting without proof.

The proof is all still there for anyone who actually looks rather than claims to.

The proof may well be there and if someone can verify that then they have a better argument and a means to an end for shutting down a debate.

...and the flip side of that is that there are no convenient explanations for your side because it's utter nonsense.

And as I've said so many times, I don't offer anything I say for my musings as factual.
That's the difference between us.

Majority is not the same as "all"

I never said it was.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

And that's what you take from the story. The truth is you are reliant on just that.

No. The truth is that I can look and see for myself. I did. It's true. We live on a globe.

I agree if you have the proof. If not then you are accepting without proof.

I have the proof and have posted it on here. I cant make you see it if you choose not to.

The proof may well be there and if someone can verify that then they have a better argument and a means to an end for shutting down a debate.

HAs been done more than once. The debate ended long ago. What we have now is an amusing back and forth between those who know this and one who knows but wont admit it.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

No. The truth is that I can look and see for myself. I did. It's true. We live on a globe.

Your truth.

I have the proof and have posted it on here. I cant make you see it if you choose not to.

I've seen no proof. I've seen plenty of attempts to offer supposed proof.

HAs been done more than once. The debate ended long ago. What we have now is an amusing back and forth between those who know this and one who knows but wont admit it.

That's always going to be the case.

 

[payne]

You try answering as many as is hit at me regularly and see how you manage it.

I'd not deflect, I wouldn't ask for the answer to be repeated to me, I wouldn't ask for it to be repeated after it's been repeated and screenshotted. I would admit I was wrong on occasion. I would accept other than myself know things about the physical world. I wouldn't call the whole world stupid or a liar. I wouldn't say that all known concepts in science are wrong and that you know better. I wouldn't invent new laws, put them over as fact, but present no evidence.

That' what I'd do.

 

[DPTT]

And that's what you take from the story. The truth is you are reliant on just that.

I agree if you have the proof. If not then you are accepting without proof.

The proof may well be there and if someone can verify that then they have a better argument and a means to an end for shutting down a debate.

And as I've said so many times, I don't offer anything I say for my musings as factual.
That's the difference between us.

I never said it was.

Saying “musings” is basically to
You your get out of jail card.
It gives you the chance to just walk away because you cannot do anything to justify what you say and when offered something for the globe you just say nah it’s wrong then piss off for a few hours then come back onto a different subject
And repeat and so on

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Saying “musings” is basically to
You your get out of jail card.

It's not at all. It is what I said it is from the start.
I offered no facts but people decide I do. That's not my issue.

It gives you the chance to just walk away because you cannot do anything to justify what you say and when offered something for the globe you just say nah it’s wrong then piss off for a few hours then come back onto a different subject
And repeat and so on

I can walk away anytime.
You can also.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

And as I've said so many times, I don't offer anything I say for my musings as factual.

I'm well aware of that false claim. You absolutely do claim that the Earth is 100% not a globe so there's that...

That's the difference between us.

No, the difference is that I can see the evidence and verify it for myself, while you reject it without looking because it doesn't fit your idea.

I never said it was.

But you do reject things because of it

Your truth.

Not mine. The

I've seen no proof. I've seen plenty of attempts to offer supposed proof.

If you have not seen it that's your fault. It's all there to see, not hidden, not secret.

 

[What A Waster]

Saying “musings” is basically to
You your get out of jail card.
It gives you the chance to just walk away because you cannot do anything to justify what you say and when offered something for the globe you just say nah it’s wrong then piss off for a few hours then come back onto a different subject
And repeat and so on

But it's not factual. But he's cast iron certain that all evidence presented is wrong. He's not saying  he is right, but he  is saying everybody else is wrong.

But that is not the same thing, somehow.

 

[DPTT]

It's not at all. It is what I said it is from the start.
I offered no facts but people decide I do. That's not my issue.

I can walk away anytime.
You can also.

You cannot offer facts because nothing what you say exists
That’s a fact

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I'm well aware of that false claim. You absolutely do claim that the Earth is 100% not a globe so there's that...

Yep but then again I'm not talking about the globe when I say I don't offer facts, I'm talking about my musing of Earth.

No, the difference is that I can see the evidence and verify it for myself, while you reject it without looking because it doesn't fit your idea.

You can see evidence of what you think is a globe based on what you were told to look for.

You cannot offer facts because nothing what you say exists
That’s a fact

It may well be that overall when it comes right down to the bare bones.
The thing is, you're in that very same boat.

 

[DPTT]

Yep but then again I'm not talking about the globe when I say I don't offer facts, I'm talking about my musing of Earth.

You can see evidence of what you think is a globe based on what you were told to look for.


It may well be that overall when it comes right down to the bare bones.
The thing is, you're in that very same boat.

And how are we in the very same boat?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Yep but then again I'm not talking about the globe when I say I don't offer facts, I'm talking about my musing of Earth.

Not one of your best dodges, 3/10 at best there.
Your musings presented here being pretty much entirely based on the idea that Earth is not a globe.

You can see evidence of what you think is a globe based on what you were told to look for.

And you're too arrogant/ignorant to just put that tired old claim to one side for long enough to see that what I've shown is not just based on what I've been told to look for, but on what I can see.

 

[What A Waster]

Saying 'you don't have facts or evidence either' doesn't really work when there's dozens and dozens of different examples on here or evidence.

Yet for the discworld dome central projector thing there's not a single shred of evidence been put forward.

Basically saying 'i refuse to accept any evidence at all because of my blind faith and refusal to admit my mistake'.

 

[Pink Panther]

I've just had a shit. Although, now there is no proof of my fecal deposit, it leads me to believe that I've never ever logged off before. Obviously there is the fact that I haven't exploded and toilet paper levels have depleted since earlier this morning, but can we call this proof of my excreta? Unfortunately, I can't find any YouTube videos to clarify my thinking (definitely my own ideas) on the matter.