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Football Insider say it's Mowbray.

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Coeus said:
Yep, I wasn't particularly keen on the coaching stuff at the time, still not and that could be argued to be the case here. Although I believe costs and time planning between coaches and head coaches to be widely different.

My preference is for the club to have discovered a young chap to have the potential to be great, pretty much anything Red Bull have done, to be honest. It's something they will have to do at some point, I just don't think it's entirely fair to believe they should be that far along just yet due to budget among other stuff. If we're not at that point or believe our position requires something a bit safer, I think @Howard the Duck raises some excellent points.
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The main issue is that I don’t see how the budgetary situation markedly improves without promotion. KLD and Sartori are either incapable or unwilling to invest really significant or transformative capital into either infrastructure or the on field stuff. Can argue the rights and wrongs of that but I simply can’t see how a period of consolidation in the middle of the second tier improves our finances.
 

Howard the Duck said:
The whole point of the model and the reason it is considered long term and sustainable is because, if done right, you should be able to fairly seamlessly interchange head coaches. How long Mowbray may last shouldn’t impact on that.

As I state, I’d have preferred Manning too. For all we know we’ve enquired and been told he’s not moving at this stage of the season so we’ll be revisiting it in the summer and moving Mowbray into an Academy or recruitment role.

You say Mowbray’s reputation for developing youth is a plus point, from the club’s point of view it’s the biggest plus point. At the minute that’s what we’re setting out to do whilst we consolidate in this league. Whether fans are in agreement with the strategy or not, they’ve made it clear that that’s their intention.

That’s why I disagree that they’re straying from the model in this appointment. If you want to level that accusation at them then I’d say that they were more guilty of it with the appointment of Alex ‘you can’t be considered a player of worth until you have a hundred league appearances’ Neil.
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If that turns out to be the case then I wouldn't be entirely disappointed with that tbf. The more I think about it the more I can see why Mowbray appeals from the clubs point of view but I think peoples perspective on the appointment depend on how much faith they have in this regime's decision making, of which I personally have very little but that's another debate for another thread.

And I completely agree that they strayed from the model in appointing Neil and that was a symptom of them clearly having no succession plan in place to appoint Johnson so the fact that they've got someone in so quickly suggests that they've at least learned from the mistakes they made at that time. I suspect that Neil leaving and Mowbray coming in has been on the cards for a while to be honest.
 
Sea to Shining Sea said:
The main issue is that I don’t see how the budgetary situation markedly improves without promotion. KLD and Sartori are either incapable or unwilling to invest really significant or transformative capital into either infrastructure or the on field stuff. Can argue the rights and wrongs of that but I simply can’t see how a period of consolidation in the middle of the second tier improves our finances.
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It has to be transfer profit, it is the only way within the championship. It's why I argued that promotion wasn't a necessity, working out exactly how we will get out of this division first was.
 
Sidewinder2 said:
Well apart from the fact they both beat us ..........................................


This, This and Oh This
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Them beating us isn't a reason to fear them. Did you see anything in either of those supposed top sides to make you think we can't beat them next time? Even with 10 men we were arguably the better side against Sheffield United, and Norwich was played in the shadow of the Alex Neil shit show, and on another day we could've been comfortably ahead by half time. We won't win every game, we will lose some, but we have absolutely no reason not to be going up against any side in this league without the belief that we can win. A mid table, small club manager like parkinson Mowbray will try and have been over the moon about middle of the road results, because that's where he peaks.
 
HoxtonMackem said:
The expectation under Neil was a mid table finish this season...as well as possibly for the next few...

Seems to be a lot of bashing the bloke because he's not a young unheard of/trendy/overseas type or a Sean Dyche.

Apparently us wanting championship consolidation for a couple of years after the ****show of the last 5 years is shocking :lol:.

We are at least 3-5 years away from the Premierleague man.
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Agree with some of that but I can't see that KLD would be happy waiting for up to 5 years to get us back to the Premier League and I don't think we should either.

We've played Sheff Utd and Norwich and suffered defeats in both. Largely due to sending off at the former and due to poor finishing and poor use of our subs against Norwich allied to them having class Championship level forward subs to bring on.

I think it would be reasonable to not expect us to be in the promotion mix this season, but with the right additions we could be in the mix for the play offs.

No reason why we shouldn't be right amongst it next season mind.
 
Sea to Shining Sea said:
The main issue is that I don’t see how the budgetary situation markedly improves without promotion. KLD and Sartori are either incapable or unwilling to invest really significant or transformative capital into either infrastructure or the on field stuff. Can argue the rights and wrongs of that but I simply can’t see how a period of consolidation in the middle of the second tier improves our finances.
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Can they invest "transformative" capital under current rules?
 
If TM is so fab why wasn't he snapped up by some of the other other floundering giants - out of work no compo etc?
His record is distinctly average and I think he could well be another dinosaural disaster along the lines which we've had our fill over the last decade. Speakman & co have gone with someone they know will not rock the boat.

We should back him to the hilt if he is chosen but i think we've chosen the Sunderland way again i.e. managed mediocrity, ran by a board with no love for the city or club and nothing but self-preservation in mind.
 
Maravilla said:
If that turns out to be the case then I wouldn't be entirely disappointed with that tbf. The more I think about it the more I can see why Mowbray appeals from the clubs point of view but I think peoples perspective on the appointment depend on how much faith they have in this regime's decision making, of which I personally have very little but that's another debate for another thread.

And I completely agree that they strayed from the model in appointing Neil and that was a symptom of them clearly having no succession plan in place to appoint Johnson so the fact that they've got someone in so quickly suggests that they've at least learned from the mistakes they made at that time. I suspect that Neil leaving and Mowbray coming in has been on the cards for a while to be honest.
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I completely get this, If I didn't have faith in what I believe is the strategy that Speakers is sticking to, I'd be mortified at the appointment. I've disagreed with a huge amount of his decisions and proved to be incorrect, he has my trust for now.
 
Weremuthe said:
If TM is so fab why wasn't he snapped up by some of the other other floundering giants - out of work no compo etc?
His record is distinctly average and I think he could well be another dinosaural disaster along the lines which we've had our fill over the last decade. Speakman & co have gone with someone they know will not rock the boat.

We should back him to the hilt if he is chosen but i think we've chosen the Sunderland way again i.e. managed mediocrity, ran by a board with no love for the city or club and nothing but self-preservation in mind.
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It's not like he was ever snapped up by Celtic or anything.
 
Tbf I was massively disappointed at first but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. I think we just need to be pragmatic and not think emotionally.
 
It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Mowbray takes charge until the WC break, moves to the Academy then and we bring in a new Head Coach. Gets round the issue of depriving a club of its manager on the cusp of the window and of course some people may have more loyalty and not be prepared to drop their current club in the shit overnight like Neil. The main issue would be I doubt our Academy pays anywhere near a Head Coach salary but after a long career in management maybe Mowbray might look for something new in his working life away from the stresses and strains of a first team.
 
ab 65 said:
Agree with some of that but I can't see that KLD would be happy waiting for up to 5 years to get us back to the Premier League and I don't think we should either.

We've played Sheff Utd and Norwich and suffered defeats in both. Largely due to sending off at the former and due to poor finishing and poor use of our subs against Norwich allied to them having class Championship level forward subs to bring on.

I think it would be reasonable to not expect us to be in the promotion mix this season, but with the right additions we could be in the mix for the play offs.

No reason why we shouldn't be right amongst it next season mind.
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If not PL level. Pukki is certainly that,
 
---Nemo--- said:
Can they invest "transformative" capital under current rules?
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If I’m not mistaken, the current rules allow us to have £39m worth of losses over a period of three years. The owners can work within that using their own cash injection. Obviously, the model is for us to not make losses and be self sufficient. But I think there might be scope for transformative capital to be injected into some parts of the club within the rules. Particularly in club infrastructure (stadium improvements, academy appointments, customer service areas).

I know there are some on the forum who don’t like the notion of people suggesting spending others money but it is actually part of the responsibility of club owners. I don’t want them doing the bare minimum if they can be doing a bit more to make it a better experience.

Transformative capital in terms of player recruitment comes with greater risks of course. Throw money at it and don’t achieve the goal of promotion and it could be problematic. I’m not suggesting that however. I think there’s a middle ground.
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
Cantwell has the potential.
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Agreed. Looked excellent for them in their previous year in the PL but it seems to have gone a bit awry for him since. Don't think he got the game time he was looking for at Bournemouth which seemed like an odd move for him at the time.
He's certainly got time on his side and clearly has a lot of ability so it wouldn't be a huge surprise if he did make it.
 
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