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Tony Mowbray - Boro Supporter View

These are Blackburns finishing position in the last 4 years under TM. , genuinely successful my arse.
15th (2018-2019), 11th (2019-2020), 15th (2020-2021), and 8th (2021-2022)
would you be happy with this sort of return for the next 4 years ?
As I said I wasn't defending anyone.. but we have been in league one for years and just been promoted.. who would you realistically say we could get? Remember, the rest of the world will see us as I have stated. And last season at Blackburn was a success, I know several Blackburn season ticket holders and they loved him.. and before you say it.. they have won the Premier league.
 

Who would be your number one choice out of interest?

Good question this. I’m not a full time employee with huge power at the club or paid a handsome fee to scour the globe using data analytics to identify such candidates at short notice. That said, if it was up to me, I’d be looking at someone at the right end of their career without baggage or a mediocre career behind them. Manning or McKenna for example. If a bit more ambitious with budget available, perhaps Solksjaer.

I’d not choose the recently available former Boro manager at the back end of his career.
 
If he maintains his 40% win ratio ( and then let’s assume we lose 40%) we will end up on 64 points if my maths is right. That gets us to 12-13th in the table at the end of the season. Feels like an uninspiring appointment but for the first season back up that would do for me.
 
I would sack Wilder tomorrow, he‘s an f,in gobshite and always has been. Mowbray might not be a headline appointment that we think we need but I agree with the initial poster he might be what we need, after some of the dipstick appointments we have made in recent years he could be a revelation

You aren’t a Boro supporter presumably so the question doesn’t particularly apply to you.
 
So what do we do in 3 years time when we finish 14th/15th ? and we have dropped 10,000 +. off the ST numbers ?
Why would that happen. We could finish 12th this season, 6th the following season and lose in play offs and then finish top 2....who knows? I'm not saying finishing 20th three years in a row would be great!
 
He didn't drive blackburn , baggies or boro onto bigger things , people are just making things up now.
He did a great job at Blackburn. Really improved them from when he took over. His WBA side was wonderful to watch. He’s a real football man.
 
If he maintains his 40% win ratio ( and then let’s assume we lose 40%) we will end up on 64 points if my maths is right. That gets us to 12-13th in the table at the end of the season. Feels like an uninspiring appointment but for the first season back up that would do for me.
And then next year ?
 
He has achieved about the as much as Alex Neil yet people are going on as if his the next Guardiola! The same poster who were giving out about Mowbray are more than likely the same ones who complained about Neil when he took over.

Alex Neil is 41 at the beginning of his career. He’d managed three clubs before Sunderland. He took Hamilton to the SPL and did well and then Norwich to the Premier League. He then took Sunderland up having inherited a very difficult situation.

Entirely different
 
He did a great job at Blackburn. Really improved them from when he took over. His WBA side was wonderful to watch. He’s a real football man.
15th, 11th, 15th and 8th.
Which part of that is a great job and really improving man.

This is not about perceptions and what you think. These are the facts.
 
Firstly, I feel a sense of recognition when "Hank Williams" asks me as a Boro supporter to pass on some views on this messageboard on Tony Mowbray. Such a request from the No.1 closet Boro supporter is the ultimate accolade! ;)

Down to business.

I saw Tony Mowbray make his Boro debut in 1982 (aged 18) at Sid James Park, go on to be our most inspirational captain (appointed aged 22) through arguably the most momentous period in the clubs history and in total saw around 80% of his 400+ home and away appearances for Boro. When he left Boro I followed his playing and later Managerial career which included a term at Boro.

He took over as Boro manager after the dual poor appointments of Southgate and Strachan. We were in a complete mess and heading for League One. He saved us from that fate and made genuine progress. The club didn't even have dossiers on individual players ... Mowbray brought his own with him to the club. I could mention numerous stories about his dedication and commitment to his managerial roles but won't bore you. He was left with a team of journeymen, young lads, has beens and never have beens. Several of these were Scottish players he had previously binned as Celtic manager who Strachan then brought to Boro! He made some quality signings on a shoestring budget and gave the supporters belief back. Most of the loyal Boro fans I know would have him back at the drop of a hat.

He has had a lifetime immersed in football and managed and played at the highest level in England and Scotland. As with all Managers hasn't always had it his own way but has steadied the ship with most clubs and also has gained promotions.

He has a positive track record of developing young players, playing a passing game and has a great eye for a player. Mowbray has a career record of 41% wins (Roy Keane achieved 42% at Sunderland as a comparison).

A North East lad who is astute, proud, genuine, honest and loyal. Mowbray also has very strong personal values and high levels of integrity. Don't underestimate any of these qualities.

He is well respected by many in the game.

What has surprised me is some of the vitriol I have read on this messageboard about him. Clearly not good enough for the vast majority of posters on here who have completely dismissed him as an option whilst some others have resorted to personal insults. Having known and worked with Sunderland supporters for many years, I'll be honest, I thought you were better than that.

Having had the likes of Simon Grayson, Chris Coleman, Phil Parkinson et al managing your club in recent times, someone like Mowbray should be given more consideration instead of being ridiculed.

Come to think of it the question should really be not does Sunderland need Tony Mowbray but does Tony Mowbray need Sunderland? He completed his full 5-years contract at his last club - Blackburn (not many managers do that these days - indeed Sunderland had 7 permanent managers during that time). He achieved promotion from League One in the process and in his last season had a young team challenging for promotion to the Premier League.

I suspect his reservations will be thinking that Sunderland is a club that in the last twenty years have had nearly as many permanent managers and in addition several owners including the current ones who are small-time, inexperienced, inflexible, don't value their manager and haven't invested much money. At least that is as it appears to an outsider.

Believe me Tony Mowbray would be a quality appointment for Sunderland (although it pains me to say that). It would be steady progress to achieve the clubs goals ... probably not quick enough for the twitterati and most posters on here but surely solid foundations, continuity and sustainability are key ingredients Sunderland have been lacking for years.

Tony Mowbray is your man.
Appreciate the incite
 
These are Blackburns finishing position in the last 4 years under TM. , genuinely successful my arse.
15th (2018-2019), 11th (2019-2020), 15th (2020-2021), and 8th (2021-2022)
would you be happy with this sort of return for the next 4 years ?
So he was there 5 year and had 1 top half finish. Would we be happy with that?
 
Firstly, I feel a sense of recognition when "Hank Williams" asks me as a Boro supporter to pass on some views on this messageboard on Tony Mowbray. Such a request from the No.1 closet Boro supporter is the ultimate accolade! ;)

Down to business.

I saw Tony Mowbray make his Boro debut in 1982 (aged 18) at Sid James Park, go on to be our most inspirational captain (appointed aged 22) through arguably the most momentous period in the clubs history and in total saw around 80% of his 400+ home and away appearances for Boro. When he left Boro I followed his playing and later Managerial career which included a term at Boro.

He took over as Boro manager after the dual poor appointments of Southgate and Strachan. We were in a complete mess and heading for League One. He saved us from that fate and made genuine progress. The club didn't even have dossiers on individual players ... Mowbray brought his own with him to the club. I could mention numerous stories about his dedication and commitment to his managerial roles but won't bore you. He was left with a team of journeymen, young lads, has beens and never have beens. Several of these were Scottish players he had previously binned as Celtic manager who Strachan then brought to Boro! He made some quality signings on a shoestring budget and gave the supporters belief back. Most of the loyal Boro fans I know would have him back at the drop of a hat.

He has had a lifetime immersed in football and managed and played at the highest level in England and Scotland. As with all Managers hasn't always had it his own way but has steadied the ship with most clubs and also has gained promotions.

He has a positive track record of developing young players, playing a passing game and has a great eye for a player. Mowbray has a career record of 41% wins (Roy Keane achieved 42% at Sunderland as a comparison).

A North East lad who is astute, proud, genuine, honest and loyal. Mowbray also has very strong personal values and high levels of integrity. Don't underestimate any of these qualities.

He is well respected by many in the game.

What has surprised me is some of the vitriol I have read on this messageboard about him. Clearly not good enough for the vast majority of posters on here who have completely dismissed him as an option whilst some others have resorted to personal insults. Having known and worked with Sunderland supporters for many years, I'll be honest, I thought you were better than that.

Having had the likes of Simon Grayson, Chris Coleman, Phil Parkinson et al managing your club in recent times, someone like Mowbray should be given more consideration instead of being ridiculed.

Come to think of it the question should really be not does Sunderland need Tony Mowbray but does Tony Mowbray need Sunderland? He completed his full 5-years contract at his last club - Blackburn (not many managers do that these days - indeed Sunderland had 7 permanent managers during that time). He achieved promotion from League One in the process and in his last season had a young team challenging for promotion to the Premier League.

I suspect his reservations will be thinking that Sunderland is a club that in the last twenty years have had nearly as many permanent managers and in addition several owners including the current ones who are small-time, inexperienced, inflexible, don't value their manager and haven't invested much money. At least that is as it appears to an outsider.

Believe me Tony Mowbray would be a quality appointment for Sunderland (although it pains me to say that). It would be steady progress to achieve the clubs goals ... probably not quick enough for the twitterati and most posters on here but surely solid foundations, continuity and sustainability are key ingredients Sunderland have been lacking for years.

Tony Mowbray is your man.
Good Post mate.
 
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