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Tony Mowbray - Boro Supporter View

Scorer said:
Manning, Robins, Critchley. Latter perhaps unlikely but not pie in the sky.
Mowbray however looks solid enough as an appointment at present.
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If you’re asked for names and provide them they’ll be ignored in order for people to say no-one has provided any alternatives. They’re the rules of this particular game
 

Sea to Shining Sea said:
I’ve made nothing up.

I’ll log off when I choose. I think the people lapping up any old shite are making fools of themselves. All about perspective isn’t it
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of course its all about opinions and perspective .......but youre trying to pass the first off as fact and Im not sure you are able to step back far enough for the second

Is my ideal choice no i was a little taken aback as the rumours began, but then neither was AN I would have preferred a young progressive foreign coach both then and now

However I think Managers should be judged by their last job first and foremost and looking at that I can see the sense to it......its not any old shite...Just to add Ive been on here since Reidys days and I cant remember a more embarassing time reading it than these last 2 days first Speakman and now Mowbray some of it towards Mowbray has genuinely been both distasteful and unpleasant

I get people are angry and emotional and want to vent......I also get that some(not you mind) should be ashamed of themselves
 
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ERIMUS1876 said:
He has a positive track record of developing young players, playing a passing game and has a great eye for a player. Mowbray has a career record of 41% wins (Roy Keane achieved 42% at Sunderland as a comparison).
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For anyone sidetracked by this, Mowbray has managed the majority of the time in Championship and League 1. Keane did in the PL with a shit team
 
ERIMUS1876 said:
Firstly, I feel a sense of recognition when "Hank Williams" asks me as a Boro supporter to pass on some views on this messageboard on Tony Mowbray. Such a request from the No.1 closet Boro supporter is the ultimate accolade! ;)

Down to business.

I saw Tony Mowbray make his Boro debut in 1982 (aged 18) at Sid James Park, go on to be our most inspirational captain (appointed aged 22) through arguably the most momentous period in the clubs history and in total saw around 80% of his 400+ home and away appearances for Boro. When he left Boro I followed his playing and later Managerial career which included a term at Boro.

He took over as Boro manager after the dual poor appointments of Southgate and Strachan. We were in a complete mess and heading for League One. He saved us from that fate and made genuine progress. The club didn't even have dossiers on individual players ... Mowbray brought his own with him to the club. I could mention numerous stories about his dedication and commitment to his managerial roles but won't bore you. He was left with a team of journeymen, young lads, has beens and never have beens. Several of these were Scottish players he had previously binned as Celtic manager who Strachan then brought to Boro! He made some quality signings on a shoestring budget and gave the supporters belief back. Most of the loyal Boro fans I know would have him back at the drop of a hat.

He has had a lifetime immersed in football and managed and played at the highest level in England and Scotland. As with all Managers hasn't always had it his own way but has steadied the ship with most clubs and also has gained promotions.

He has a positive track record of developing young players, playing a passing game and has a great eye for a player. Mowbray has a career record of 41% wins (Roy Keane achieved 42% at Sunderland as a comparison).

A North East lad who is astute, proud, genuine, honest and loyal. Mowbray also has very strong personal values and high levels of integrity. Don't underestimate any of these qualities.

He is well respected by many in the game.

What has surprised me is some of the vitriol I have read on this messageboard about him. Clearly not good enough for the vast majority of posters on here who have completely dismissed him as an option whilst some others have resorted to personal insults. Having known and worked with Sunderland supporters for many years, I'll be honest, I thought you were better than that.

Having had the likes of Simon Grayson, Chris Coleman, Phil Parkinson et al managing your club in recent times, someone like Mowbray should be given more consideration instead of being ridiculed.

Come to think of it the question should really be not does Sunderland need Tony Mowbray but does Tony Mowbray need Sunderland? He completed his full 5-years contract at his last club - Blackburn (not many managers do that these days - indeed Sunderland had 7 permanent managers during that time). He achieved promotion from League One in the process and in his last season had a young team challenging for promotion to the Premier League.

I suspect his reservations will be thinking that Sunderland is a club that in the last twenty years have had nearly as many permanent managers and in addition several owners including the current ones who are small-time, inexperienced, inflexible, don't value their manager and haven't invested much money. At least that is as it appears to an outsider.

Believe me Tony Mowbray would be a quality appointment for Sunderland (although it pains me to say that). It would be steady progress to achieve the clubs goals ... probably not quick enough for the twitterati and most posters on here but surely solid foundations, continuity and sustainability are key ingredients Sunderland have been lacking for years.

Tony Mowbray is your man.
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Cheers for that, you've won me over:lol:
And just to reiterate, Boro v Safc IS a derby imho and always has been. Looking forward to the three points in a few days time😋(Boro is such a happy hunting ground for us after all😜)
 
Sea to Shining Sea said:
I wouldn’t be. Unfortunately it seems like many others would be.


In the same way that Phil Parkinson did here aye?
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  • February 2017 - Appointed on 18-month contract but unable to keep Blackburn in the Championship
  • 2017-18 - Blackburn secure automatic promotion from League One by finishing second with 96 points
  • 2018-19 - 15th in Championship with 60 points
  • 2019-20 - 11th, 63 points
  • 2020-21 - 15th, 57 points
  • 2021-22 - 8th, 69 points
It’s a good record
 
Sea to Shining Sea said:
I’ve given you three names.
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Manning - who's team failed to capitalise on Rotherhams terrible form at the end of last season for automatics then were dumped out of the playoffs by Wycombe.

Mckenna - been a manager less than a year so far.

OGS - would want big money that this club isn't willing to spend. Did nothing at Cardiff. Under achieved with a very strong squad at Man U.

I was all for the idea of a young manager when I heard the news about Neil. But the more I've thought about it I think we need an experienced head to manage our team of inexperienced players.

Too much inexperience could be a disaster imo.
 
MrBraithwaite said:
  • February 2017 - Appointed on 18-month contract but unable to keep Blackburn in the Championship
  • 2017-18 - Blackburn secure automatic promotion from League One by finishing second with 96 points
  • 2018-19 - 15th in Championship with 60 points
  • 2019-20 - 11th, 63 points
  • 2020-21 - 15th, 57 points
  • 2021-22 - 8th, 69 points
It’s a good record
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It is a middling record
Imo Mowbray is a safe middle of the road signing. We wont go down. We wont go up.

But surely our ambition is back to PL in two seasons?
 
MrBraithwaite said:
  • February 2017 - Appointed on 18-month contract but unable to keep Blackburn in the Championship
  • 2017-18 - Blackburn secure automatic promotion from League One by finishing second with 96 points
  • 2018-19 - 15th in Championship with 60 points
  • 2019-20 - 11th, 63 points
  • 2020-21 - 15th, 57 points
  • 2021-22 - 8th, 69 points
It’s a good record
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It's just not man.
How are you measuring success?
Are you using the f***ing Force?
 
ERIMUS1876 said:
Firstly, I feel a sense of recognition when "Hank Williams" asks me as a Boro supporter to pass on some views on this messageboard on Tony Mowbray. Such a request from the No.1 closet Boro supporter is the ultimate accolade! ;)

Down to business.

I saw Tony Mowbray make his Boro debut in 1982 (aged 18) at Sid James Park, go on to be our most inspirational captain (appointed aged 22) through arguably the most momentous period in the clubs history and in total saw around 80% of his 400+ home and away appearances for Boro. When he left Boro I followed his playing and later Managerial career which included a term at Boro.

He took over as Boro manager after the dual poor appointments of Southgate and Strachan. We were in a complete mess and heading for League One. He saved us from that fate and made genuine progress. The club didn't even have dossiers on individual players ... Mowbray brought his own with him to the club. I could mention numerous stories about his dedication and commitment to his managerial roles but won't bore you. He was left with a team of journeymen, young lads, has beens and never have beens. Several of these were Scottish players he had previously binned as Celtic manager who Strachan then brought to Boro! He made some quality signings on a shoestring budget and gave the supporters belief back. Most of the loyal Boro fans I know would have him back at the drop of a hat.

He has had a lifetime immersed in football and managed and played at the highest level in England and Scotland. As with all Managers hasn't always had it his own way but has steadied the ship with most clubs and also has gained promotions.

He has a positive track record of developing young players, playing a passing game and has a great eye for a player. Mowbray has a career record of 41% wins (Roy Keane achieved 42% at Sunderland as a comparison).

A North East lad who is astute, proud, genuine, honest and loyal. Mowbray also has very strong personal values and high levels of integrity. Don't underestimate any of these qualities.

He is well respected by many in the game.

What has surprised me is some of the vitriol I have read on this messageboard about him. Clearly not good enough for the vast majority of posters on here who have completely dismissed him as an option whilst some others have resorted to personal insults. Having known and worked with Sunderland supporters for many years, I'll be honest, I thought you were better than that.

Having had the likes of Simon Grayson, Chris Coleman, Phil Parkinson et al managing your club in recent times, someone like Mowbray should be given more consideration instead of being ridiculed.

Come to think of it the question should really be not does Sunderland need Tony Mowbray but does Tony Mowbray need Sunderland? He completed his full 5-years contract at his last club - Blackburn (not many managers do that these days - indeed Sunderland had 7 permanent managers during that time). He achieved promotion from League One in the process and in his last season had a young team challenging for promotion to the Premier League.

I suspect his reservations will be thinking that Sunderland is a club that in the last twenty years have had nearly as many permanent managers and in addition several owners including the current ones who are small-time, inexperienced, inflexible, don't value their manager and haven't invested much money. At least that is as it appears to an outsider.

Believe me Tony Mowbray would be a quality appointment for Sunderland (although it pains me to say that). It would be steady progress to achieve the clubs goals ... probably not quick enough for the twitterati and most posters on here but surely solid foundations, continuity and sustainability are key ingredients Sunderland have been lacking for years.

Tony Mowbray is your man.
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Ships too many goals
 
daventry cat said:
of course its all about opinions and perspective .......but youre trying to pass the first off as fact and Im not sure you are able to step back far enough for the second

Is my ideal choice no i was a little taken aback as the rumours began, but then neither was AN I would have preferred a young progressive foreign coach both then and now

However I think Managers should be judged by their last job first and foremost and looking at that I can see the sense to it......its not any old shite...Ive been on here since Reidys days and I cant remember a more embarassing time reading it than these last 2 days first Speakman and now Mowbray some of it towards Mowbray has genuinely been both distasteful and unpleasant

I get people are angry and emotional and want to vent......I also get that some(not you mind) should be ashamed of themselves
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Mowbray had three middling to lower finishes and a flirtation with the play offs in the second division. That isn’t great success. Not by our standards and certainly not by Blackburn’s standards in the last 30 years.

Mowbray has no love for SAFC, is 58 and at the back end of his career. Even stripping emotion from this, it’s an appointment that makes no sense. We’ve heard stuff about projects, progressive development and sustainability and I see no coherent or logical argument that puts Tony Mowbray at the heart of that. None whatsoever.
 
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