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Titus said:
The same AJ that got up from a heavy knockdown against Klitschko and stopped him? I'm not a big fan of AJ but this shite about him being a big poser and Fury being a git typical hard bloke is daft. Fury takes selfies with daft filters on all the time, loves furthering brand Fury etc. He's probably worse for it at this point - most of his early resentment for this side of Joshua was just because it wasn't himself getting the recognition he deserved

All four of the top four at the moment have very good heart. It's the one thing I don't think can really be debated about any of them.
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I’d go further. Not many a boxer at the tp level who doesn’t have heart. Full stop.


Maybe questions over chin , fitness, composure under duress etc etc

Compare fury v wilder and aj v Ruiz. One was flapping, getting exhausted and asking daft questions however he was swinging back, he was fighting!! Fair play.
compare it the other who was calm, precise and hurt his opponent despite being hurt himself.

That’s not a dig, it’s reality.

But aye off course they have f***ing heart.
 

Titus said:
It doesn't at all really. You've just countered with a totally seperate argument that by extension discredits one of the best parts of Fury's resume.
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How? Fury fought Klits at his prime. Joshua fought him well past it and got dropped.

It's the same reason why Calzaghe is never considered a British great - He stopped Hopkins and RJJ who were like 20 years past it, both prime Hopkins and RJJ would of sent him back to Wales and it'll the English declaring independence from them not the other way round.

But for some reason AJ gets a pass. Just don't get it.
 
coyneeee said:
How? Fury fought Klits at his prime. Joshua fought him well past it and got dropped.

It's the same reason why Calzaghe is never considered a British great - He stopped Hopkins and RJJ who were like 20 years past it, both prime Hopkins and RJJ would of sent him back to Wales and it'll the English declaring independence from them not the other way round.

But for some reason AJ gets a pass. Just don't get it.
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Calzaghe never considered a British great.....haway man.
He makes an all time top 5 in anyone's list including boxing experts
 
Captain Slackbladder said:
Bit better than bang average.....when he can be arsed to train. No less bang average than del boy at this stage of his career anarl.
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What’s Del Boy got to do with getting sparked of a bang average fighter. ?? Fury beat him twice at his peak?

Ruiz rocked up with with a few weeks notice. Do you really believe that mess would have sparked fury. That’s my point.

Can’t just consider wins when considering resume.
 
Motor City Cobra said:
I’d go further. Not many a boxer at the tp level who doesn’t have heart. Full stop.


Maybe questions over chin , fitness, composure under duress etc etc

Compare fury v wilder and aj v Ruiz. One was flapping, getting exhausted and asking daft questions however he was swinging back, he was fighting!! Fair play.
compare it the other who was calm, precise and hurt his opponent despite being hurt himself.

That’s not a dig, it’s reality.

But aye off course they have f***ing heart.
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Sorry mate, for your benefit I'll caveat every comment on any professional athletes attributes with "relatively speaking compared to other professionals". Of course all Pro fighters have heart. The same way they're all hard bastards. I'm talking in a relative sense versus the rest of the pool - I don't think any can be seen as having 'bad' heart.
 
Titus said:
Sorry mate, for your benefit I'll caveat every comment on any professional athletes attributes with "relatively speaking compared to other professionals". Of course all Pro fighters have heart. The same way they're all hard bastards. I'm talking in a relative sense versus the rest of the pool - I don't think any can be seen as having 'bad' heart.
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Calm down. I was agreeing with you. And then adding further context . Wow
Captain Slackbladder said:
Calzaghe never considered a British great.....haway man.
He makes an all time top 5 in anyone's list including boxing experts
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coyneeee said:
How? Fury fought Klits at his prime. Joshua fought him well past it and got dropped.

It's the same reason why Calzaghe is never considered a British great - He stopped Hopkins and RJJ who were like 20 years past it, both prime Hopkins and RJJ would of sent him back to Wales and it'll the English declaring independence from them not the other way round.

But for some reason AJ gets a pass. Just don't get it.
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Coynee. Can’t agree with that marra. Calzaghe is an all time great imho.

And the Hopkins win was a great win like, lol what Hopkins did thereafter.
Captain Slackbladder said:
Calzaghe never considered a British great.....haway man.
He makes an all time top 5 in anyone's list including boxing experts
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Agree with that captain.( post war )
 
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Captain Slackbladder said:
Calzaghe never considered a British great.....haway man.
He makes an all time top 5 in anyone's list including boxing experts
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I disagree! The first names would come up would be Fury, Lennox, Bruno, Prince Naseem and the last name would be a wild combination of Hatton/Calzaghe/Benn/Eubank. He's definitely not a cert to be a top 5.
 
coyneeee said:
How? Fury fought Klits at his prime. Joshua fought him well past it and got dropped.

It's the same reason why Calzaghe is never considered a British great - He stopped Hopkins and RJJ who were like 20 years past it, both prime Hopkins and RJJ would of sent him back to Wales and it'll the English declaring independence from them not the other way round.

But for some reason AJ gets a pass. Just don't get it.
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Calzaghe is considered a British great though, he's probably top 15-20 and higher up than Fury, AJ, Hatton, Naseem, Bruno, Benn, Eubank pretty much any of the modern Brits to date. Fury and AJ have the chance to take over but aren't there yet.

Hopkins unified LHW after the Calzaghe loss and beat the likes of Pascal, Pavlik, Cloud, Shumebov, gave Dawson a good fight. He might not have been prime but he was no where near shot, Jones was shot to bits but don't think anyone ranks that win.

He beat a better version of Kessler that went on to beat Froch afterwards. Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Bika, Brewer, Lacy all world champions. Lacy fell to bits after that fight but at the time was a huge favourite and they had him as the next best thing, Calzaghe ruined him.

He should have been a fully unified champion as well but dropped a belt before he fought Kessler otherwise he held all four titles int he same year and cleaned out his division.
 
coyneeee said:
I disagree! The first names would come up would be Fury, Lennox, Bruno, Prince Naseem and the last name would be a wild combination of Hatton/Calzaghe/Benn/Eubank. He's definitely not a cert to be a top 5.
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Ffs man. You’ll start another f***ing debate

Bruno. You can fuck right off and Hatton? Wtf marra

Calzaghe beats Eubank and Benn in ther best nights. He had a plan a b c and d. A brilliantly adaptable fighter.
 
Captain Slackbladder said:
:D

Bruno....ffs.

Only Lennox from that list is comparable...
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You need to behave on that one like. Hamed was well ahead of his time, a right hand Southpaw in the 90's? They didn't start coming along untl the past decade.... De La Hoya being an exception who was a left-handed Orthodox.

Motor City Cobra said:
Ffs man. You’ll start another f***ing debate

Bruno. You can fuck right off and Hatton? Wtf marra

Calzaghe beats Eubank and Benn in ther best nights. He had a plan a b c and d. A brilliantly adaptable fighter.
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Hatton was class man. His fight against Pacman probably my all-time favourite fight, his approach all wrong made it to be entertaining for the wrong reasons from his perspective like.
 
coyneeee said:
I disagree! The first names would come up would be Fury, Lennox, Bruno, Prince Naseem and the last name would be a wild combination of Hatton/Calzaghe/Benn/Eubank. He's definitely not a cert to be a top 5.
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Apart from Lennox doubt any of them make top five when you have Fitzsimmons, Wilde, Welsh, Turpin, Kid Lewis, Berg, Buchanan, McAvoy, Harvey. Got an amazing history of fighters from these isles.
 
Titus said:
So fight 68 in late 2015 = prime and fight 69 in early 2017 = well past it?
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Not to beat this one to death @coyneeee, but genuinely curious as to how you've reached that conclusion?

I'll absolutely concede that Fury accomplished more in the sense that he ended the run and did it in Germany, however I'm not sure how in around 16-18 months Wlad went from prime to past it and old? Especially when you consider he didn't take any real damage from Fury, and had actually been in that camp during the gap between the fights as Fury pulled out of the rematch
 
coyneeee said:
You need to behave on that one like. Hamed was well ahead of his time, a right hand Southpaw in the 90's? They didn't start coming along untl the past decade.... De La Hoya being an exception who was a left-handed Orthodox.



Hatton was class man. His fight against Pacman probably my all-time favourite fight, his approach all wrong made it to be entertaining for the wrong reasons from his perspective like.
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Eh. Haway man did I mention naz. I f***ing love naz.

You said Bruno and Hatton , you can’t bring the pacman fight into it, he got humiliated. Hatton was good for a couple of years granted. I rate Hatton’s win over kostya a the pinnacle of warrens promoting. Very shrewd.

He was Just not on the level of naz, Lewis and Calzaghe. I’d rate maybe another 10/20 from the last 30/40 year ahead of Hatton .
Chatty83 said:
Apart from Lennox doubt any of them make top five when you have Fitzsimmons, Wilde, Welsh, Turpin, Kid Lewis, Berg, Buchanan, McAvoy, Harvey. Got an amazing history of fighters from these isles.
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Really hard to compare marra. ( pre war fighters and maybe 50’s) You’ve got to Go post war
Like .
 
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Motor City Cobra said:
You said Bruno and Hatton , you can’t bring the pacman fight into it, he got humiliated. Hatton was good for a couple of years granted. I rate Hatton’s win over kostya a the pinnacle of warrens promoting. Very shrewd.
He was Just not on the level of naz, Lewis and Calzaghe. I’d rate maybe another 10/20 from the last 30/40 year ahead of Hatton .
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Prime Hatton was really good I reckon, Kostya, Castillo and Maglignaggi and the fought the 2 best of our generation in their absolute primes, granted he lost but deserves the respect for it... The Mayweather approach was more humbling than the smashing he got from Pacman
 
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